OMFG, please tell me you haven’t taken the bait with the April fools joke :hmm:

GN.
The post may be a joke but its also on Fire Aviation?

Conair tried using F27 Fire Bombers in France. They were short lived so I assume they were not a great success as they then moved on to CV580s.
However if F50s are tried by Alliance or anyone else the development would not be to hard from F27 to F50 if used the Conair design?

Conair and others seem to like the BAE146 into the future. Conair are also happy with Dash 8s.


Wunwing

Marie Bashir will be rather surprised to learn of her own death on Sky News today...

ASX website shows Alliance announcement that CASA has given regulatory approval to operate the E190, and a revised AOC has been issued.

Fleet update

-43 Fokkers in revenue service,

-commitments for 30 E190 deliveries, with 18 paid for and 5 delivered to Australia

- the sim will be up and running by May, pilots currently being trained with Finnair in Helsinki.

No mention in the media release of the team at Aliance checking with Pprune experts before making decisions on fleet purchases or pilot hiring.

Why wont I be happy, its no skin of my nose?

Are you another QF fanboy that seems to think some great injustice has taken place if anybody else is chosen over a Qantas pilot because you know, they are not Qantas!!

I just hope the right people and most deserving get the job, regardless of their background!

I have heard that there is a gentleman's agreement in place between the shot callers that precludes Alliance from taking Airnorth's Ejet pilots on account of the fact that Airnorth wouldn't be able to continue operating flights if Alliance took more than a few of their crew. Unfortunate for any Airnorth pilot's that might have wanted to take advantage of the opportunity.
I would have though at least a couple Airnorth folks would have gotten an interview, given their recent experience with E170, current type rating that covers both 170/190 with differences training and they almost all live in Darwin, but as far as I am aware none did.
The other possibility is that no Airnorth pilots applied.;)

Stationair
If your comments on fleet type is aimed at me, then you have it wrong. I am only commenting on the NSWRFS contract that they are supposed to be receiving.

As I read the current Alliance fleet, there are no current types that are approved for fire bombing? If we accept the statement on this thread that Alliance is being approved for the NSWRFS contract, then either they have to get B737 approval or they need another type? I'm not sure an orphan B737 is is viable? I am unaware that the F50, F100 or ejets are approved for fire bombing? I suspect if they intend to get fire bombing approval on a current type then this may be a bridge to far? Anyone going on this route should look up the sad tale of Minden Air attempting to put a Bae 146 in service.

Wunwing.

No Wunwing, comments weren't aimed at you.

Saw Alliance's 100 Years of Airforce Embraer land in Brisbane this morning. Has anyone got some photos? Looks incredible and has my vote for the best of their growing number of special paint jobs.

QF just announced new base in Adl,5 Alliance E190's to be based there,this is just the beginning.
Joyce says 738s will be deployed on other routes!
More like as the 738s with expensive leases come up for renewal,they wont be renewed.

Haha he wishes - if it was that easy, and IF that was the plan, he would have done it years ago.

That’s not the plan.

QF will always need to have different tiers to serve the market - the premium carrier isn’t going anywhere, and the budget carriers are also here to stay.

A lot of QFs B737 are coming up to 20 years so now is the time to retire them and get something new. QF will be after as much market share as they can get so dejavu to 2001.

QF has also said that a decision on the 737/regional jet would be made soon. Given both Airbus and Boeing have no shortage of stock to move, QF are probably well placed to grab either one for a good price.

Ejets to replace the 717’s look like a bit of a favourite.

Who crews them is anyones guess. It looks like the Alliance/E190 op is the new version of how the NJS/Cobham/146/717 op has evolved over the years.

Will the 8 aircraft be crewed by alliance or stood down QF pilots ? I think QF has been ramping up there A330 and B787 operations lately so maybe only A380 and ex B747 pilots are still stood down and available to transfer across.

Nah, I reckon Qantas/Alliance will run them E190’s out of Adelaide to Port Lincoln, Kingscote, Mt Gambier, Port Augusta, Whyalla just give REX the sh#ts.

It's a wet lease so I would presume Alliance crews.

Unfortunately 787 crews are still only stood up for 4 weeks every few months or so, A330 crews slowly ramping up a little but still not full time.

Ejets to replace the 717’s look like a bit of a favourite.

Who crews them is anyones guess. It looks like the Alliance/E190 op is the new version of how the NJS/Cobham/146/717 op has evolved over the years.[/QUOTE]

Alliance Ejets are older then the B717

They will be crewed by Alliance as per wet lease agreement

14 of them will. You have no guarantees after that.

The 717’s range from 15.2 to 21.5 years.
The Ejets range from 12.5 to 15.6 years.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Alliance-Airlines
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/QantasLink

Are you sure you’re not talking about their Fokker fleet?

I would also suggest that the dispatch reliability of Alliance is far greater.

Is the 717 unreliable? Or is it being operated poorly?

Don't forget in the West, QF is running almost 30 year old F100s, surely they must be a prime candidate for replacement soon?

Stand corrected.

Alliance e190s are 2005 models ex COAP
Qantas b717 are 2000 models ex Impulse

Not all the 717s are ex impulse,the fleet has been increased over the years with some even coming out of storage in the desert.

How good is Alliance?
They are so good that they’ve blindsided their E190 Darwin/Adelaide pilots and “negotiated” an outcome that has them earning less than Alliance F100 pilots. What’s more is that the base salary is below the award. AFAP have applied to get this “agreement” terminated as it does not meet the BOOT test in their view.
This is nothing more than an opportunistic play at attempting to lower pilot conditions. They need to be called out on it.

Who agreed to that?

Looking at the Modern award I get $160,542 for a Narrow Body Captain with the IFR and turbo jet allowances. I heard that they are getting $165K although I haven't seen a contract. Does that not meet the award then or is there something I have missed?

How does it compare to Network & Air North?

What are they paying for captains and FOs on the E190 at Alliance?

I believe the unions were completely unaware of this “agreement” until they stumbled across it on the FWC website.

I imagine it won’t be hard to have this piece of crap quashed.

Are you saying these pilots signed up for the job not knowing what their pay and conditions were going to be?

Well, there are 2 pilots names at the end of the documents who signed off on them.

And when do pilots start calling out those that sign off on these rubbish agreements?

These guys would very well know that the Union had clearly not been involved, yet they are signatories to what’s arguably an all time low for a jet operator in Australia. And it’s not like Alliance are some small operator based in the middle of nowhere - they fly around 50 odd jets and have several hundred employees.

It’s a disgrace and the individuals that sign these sub standard agreements should have a good hard look at themselves.

I enquired some time ago about a DEC position onto the F100 when they were advertising for their Darwin base. I asked what the salary was, and then promptly laughed, told them it’s an absolute insult, and wished them luck.

No surprises.

You should have a good hard look at https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employee...and-harassment when you finish lecturing and trash talking others for choices they are entitled to make.

It’s disappointing to see an agreement like that. The only reason that Alliance are there is because the folks from NJS worked so hard when negotiating their agreement. QF obviously decided they were too expensive.

Remember NJS has their head office in ADL and had a DRW base for 30 odd years!

Hopefully the folks at Alliance go hard at the next negotiation and try and get up to NJS’s pay level - they seem to be the gold standard of ‘100 seat Jet pay’ in Australia at the moment.

It's one thing to accept a sub par offer for yourself individually it's completely another to sign on behalf of everyone else.

A greenfields agreement is assessed by Fair Work against the Air Pilots Award 2010 which definitely my and presumably your union has participated in and accepted. I'm no expert but E190 terms and pay must be par or above otherwise it would not have been accepted by Fair Work. Feel free to bag the union for their role in the Award and go as hard as you like on Alliance but hold off sledging individuals for making decisions they are entitled to make. Pretty simple if others don't agree with the terms Alliance have on offer they don't have to sign.

What sub par?
It’s above the award?
And seems to be what Network, Air North & Air Niugini, Virgin (Fokker) all pay.
It’s a narrow body 100 seat domestic machine.. easiest job in the world!