At a time of when solidarity for our people is required the most, that’s possibly the worst thing I’ve ever read.

Arthur D and the moment any of the majors hired again the same people would be out the Alliance door faster then shyt off a chrome shovel.

Geeup. Agree 100% with your observation. I'm sure Alliance management are well aware of that possibility. Perhaps they should go with the ex Alliance guys who are overseas that they know. They are also now better qualified, experienced and having experienced the so called greener pasture will stay.

It would be great if we could all be nice to each other for a change.

I know many pilots are naturally competitive, but COVID has affected us all. Some terribly, some not so much, but we are all affected.

It’s awesome that Alliance have ordered new aircraft.

It’s even more awesome that they will be employing pilots... there are many pilots, with families to feed and mortgages to be paid, out of work, and with a bleak future.

I think pilot pissing contests are a bit out of order at the moment. Maybe let us wait until the world order has resumed and then we can re-commence our back-stabbing normality... :oh:

It will be interesting to see how Alliance management will crew the E190s. Will their management spend the money on type rating existing F100 crews, or go the cheaper option and hire already type rated and experienced crews, say from VA? The F100 and E190 have about the same MTOW and carry around 100 passengers so I'd imagine the pay would be similar to crew either types.

smiling monkey. It's not so much about the salary but flying a more modern aircraft. After all, the current pilot group have through their knowledge of the F100 and loyalty to the company have kept the operation on track. It's time they were rewarded.

And since when has that ever been a consideration?

Would the existing F100 crew all even want to go on the E190? If they're comfortable on the F100 many might be reluctant to do a new type rating and line training for a bugger all pay rise. I understand that was the mindset of some F100 drivers at Network when they got the A320.

They could also hire Aussies in US fiying Ejet as well. Typed and current.

Are these the Jetblue E190s?

Regional erj175s.
Plenty of guys soon to be back home in Australia

Fact is not all who headed overseas were chasing the big bucks, for some (many?) it was a job or no job.
Plenty of relationships/marriages wrecked, don't know of too many who ended up swimming in a vault full of money like Scrooge McDuck.

You may wish to temper your (incorrect) sweeping statement - or maybe not.

Cheers

Typed in their FAA licenses? They'll need to transfer the type to their CASA license of course, without the standard FAA PIC limitations and Circling Approaches in VMC only limitations.

Apparentlty Copa's.

CASA didn't care about my PIC limitation.

As for VMC removal, conversion to Canadian ATPL with Ejet type will automatically remove it without doing the removal in U.S. Same for PIC limitation. Who cares about PIC limitation anyway? All aussies have done 25 hours of PF flying.

Then just use Canadian Ejet type rating for CASA conversion.

Total nonsense. They paid taxes to ATO too before they moved to U.S.

ex Panama- circa 10x yrs....
 

Link: https://simpleflying.com/copa-alliance-airlines-e190/

rgds
S28

Right,

So if it's not Ex Alliance guys who want to come home, it's the Virgin Ex-Ejet crew and now the GA lot who left to fly shiny jets in the states with the promise of a command within 12 months (who paid tax, lol). Surely, none of these posters have vested interests...

None of the three groups would have given the operation a second thought in January (especially the Virgin crew), but all of a sudden THEY are all the BEST candidates. I do especially love the part about 'known quantity' former Alliance pilots. You mean the ones that skipped out on bonds and handshakes when the desert called or bailed inside notice periods for what at the time seemed like greener pastures?

Seems like a lot of you would stab your grandmother for a start, probably push grandad down the stairs for a DEC too.

There's a reason why Alliance don't often have to advertise for flight crew. Not only does it seem a pretty good place to work, a lot of people seem to get an interview based on contacts already employed there. As a result, it generally also means their f*ckwit filter is pretty accurate. Hence why I don't work for them.

My advice is to call that 'bottom feeder' Alliance driver you haven't spoken to in years. You know, the one you thought you were better than, because you work for a 'real airline' or fly overseas or will have a jet command way before because, Murica. Get on the front foot and start that awkward networking:
"G'day maaaate, how are you? Just ringing for a catch up. Yeah, it's Dave maaaate. From Darwin. Nah the other Dave. Yeah It's been ages since we've had a chat eh maaaaate, we should get a coffee or a beer soon seeing as I'm on standown/back in the country (insert your personal circumstance)! How's things at Alliance maaaate?"

You'll get an interview in a heartbeat.

j3

I am enjoying watching you clowns bicker with each other about who the 'best' candidates are going to be.

Please continue.

Should Alliance direct entry type rated pilots onto the Embraer in lieu of current crew it’ll destroy morale. Worthy of consideration. No doubt the ‘boys’ will get a gig. The regular line drivers will resent it terribly. Trust Alliance have some semblance of thought on this.

Bugger being type rated - in 12 months time I’ll apply when I have 200 hrs Cessna P210R big bore LOP time.

so with up to 14 E190s Alliance will surely be operating many more of ex VA routes inc. into CBR. Almost all QF BNE/CBR flights were B717s before Corona IIRC.

Surely with Alliance's lower costs, they can make thin routes work. Could E190s be used to Solomons ? Some of VA load factors to HIR were awful.

Could E190s be used to thinner NZ routes like BNE/DUD & NTL/AKL ?

I’ve heard from a very reliable source that they will be looking at restarting the highly lucrative Bankstown-Tijuana service.

Don't forget the (high demand) route ... Karratha to Singapore!

I heard Alliance are looking to start Brisbane to Mumbai via Karratha, Singapore and Bangkok with the E190s.

True Story.

VA might just be OK...
 

so any of you outa work VA blokes endorsed on the BrazJet will definitely get a gig (DECs etc) and ALLIANCE wil be fully crewed and ready to go...moral , no aviation executive gives a flying fu€£ about MORAL !!! Sorry about the blokes that’ll have to stay on the F28-100 , but that’s how it’s gonna work in this ****e fight they call an aviation career nowadays

Welcome to aviation Australia in 2020, I'm afraid the good old days ended around 31 years ago

Depends who gets the job running the fleet and who they know. A fleet of 14 is certainly sizable and will probably have someone who has Virgin Embraer on their CV.

There would be quite a few abroad now returning home that are experienced in launching and overseeing numerous widebody fleets, but you would be hard pressed to find many locals here that have experience with both the regulator and Brazjet.

Pionair are about to be pilotless. What a chance to grab a whole batch of current E2 Pilots. The entire training department is already there waiting. Pionair Management Pilots some are ex Virgin and most recently Emirates. So EK Pilots will no doubt be first in line if who I think gets involved considering all his mates on the super are back home jobless.

I think only a smaller % of the recently redundant Virgin pilots have been on the Ejet (20% maybe?)

looking to expand big time. Was there any mention of F70/F100 retirements ?

So Alliance's Ejet fleet size will be roughly the same as Virgin's when Virgin were operating the Ejet. Would Alliance have the same number of flight crew per aircraft that Virgin had? What sort of numbers are we looking at here? 4 sets of flight crew per aircraft?

A very small number may have broken their word, however no bonds were signed. Some individuals went to the Far East and apparently didn't make the grade only to return to Oz. However most had been with the company more than 6 years, as 152 pointed out they left due to the down turn in the mining industry and were concerned about their jobs.

As far as crews are concerned the company normally has a morning and evening flight to the mines. So considering annual leave and standby's, 5 crews for every 2 aircraft would probably do it. Initially there would be a small number of typed guys to get the the ball rolling but as the number of E190s increases, Alliance pilots will be moved on to the 190 leaving F50 and F100 slots. These will obviously be filled with rated guys that they know. I have heard of one F50 "checkie" who can start quite quickly.

Best of luck to all.

Yep ,monkey , that number of four is about the minimum ratio to keep the jets in revenue ‘black’. With a fleet manager and some C&T(not all captains,they will want the cheaper option of C&T F/O) I’d hazard a guess at about 60 sets of crew.

Honest Q: Alliance have a rep for being "gentle" with their aircraft utilisation on the Fokkers.

Would you expect the same for the JJ's or leaning more towards much higher utilisation that the more modern aircraft should be able to cop?

Cheers

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Get the chip of you shoulder or at the very least get another one on the other shoulder to give your self some semblance on balance.

I heard some of the ex Alliance guys have already returned to Adelaide and Perth and have acquired E190 systems manuals.

Finally some good news! Awesome. They would be feeling somewhat relieved and happy given the current environment.

Are there any other Virgin pilots who are retiring and willing to sell their E190 systems manuals and CBT?

Well done Alliance once again. An all time high on the ASX today. If I had put a dollar or two in to Alliance 3 months ago instead of posting dribble here ​​I'd be sitting on a nice 35% return. If I was cleverer than that and had a dabble in mid March - a whopping 300% return. Not that I did either. Bugger!!!