Anyone have any idea as to when it is likely that interviews etc might be offered to EOI?

Username: This is is just my own personal opinion without any substantiation however I would be very surprised if Qantas would look at your application unless you have served x amount of time with x subsidiary. I would imagine that mainline would want to best serve those that have provided some service to the company first and foremost.

I was going to throw an application in and see what comes of it. Not too keen on taking a back seat for x years (feel a bit over qualified for that now), but the job security is very appealing.

Good luck to all :ok:

Be sure to mention that during the interview. :E

Atlas12 - if that's the way you feel then I would say trust this. You could always apply to be an SO at a later stage.
A couple of mates flying 737's in NZ for the past 18 months are now flying the 787 as FO's with Norwegian Air and love it! That's only one example. All the best with your decision.
L.B

Don't Dilly Dally!
 

If you 'think' you might be interested in the QF gig you would be best to apply sooner rather than later. Your professional life will be ruled by your seniority number. Nobody ever wished they were more junior in this game!

Unless you're already in the left seat of an Australian jet (or very close to it) or over about 35-40 years old then you could do worse than a QF SO position.

Anyone going for this position, however, needs to play the long game.

Patience and time invested should reward handsomely one day (as long as you are young enough to be able to afford the wait!) and you will enjoy an extremely enviable lifestyle (think above-industry-average amounts of time off) along the way!

Ok this is the thing...If you think you might want the job, not sure, etc, you are sitting on the fence undecided, and this will without a doubt be conveyed in the psych and interview process.
I've seen many good potential applicants miss out over the years.

One shot one kill...L.B :cool:

What is the general consensus for the optimum age for new QF SO?

Early 20s? Mid 20s? Late 20s? Early 30s?

Somebody with uni degree, some work experience, flight training and some overseas work experience who missed 2008 recruitment must be in late 20s now. 28 too late?

Certainly, younger the better but what is the maximum age you guys consider for a new QF SO to be appropriate?

In the last 'drive' there was at least one guy well into his 50's. hard to quantify a perfect age.

Good to know
 

"Late" to the industry and loving it!!! Was worried about my age, but will NEVER die wondering. Surely SO on an A330 has to be better than piston twins!!!

My career goal is to finish with more command than co-pilot.

My career goal is to earn the most amount of money for the least amount of work (stress). :8

That's a question that doesn't really have one answer. An intermediate answer would be, "it depends".

It is mainly dependent on who you fly for and what you get paid now as well as what level of importance you place on factors such as pay, conditions, job security, promotion prospects, type of flying etc etc.

From a pure remuneration perspective, if you are earning significantly more in your current job than you'll earn as a QF SO then you need to make a calculation (based on rubbery assumptions) as to how long it might be before you make up the lost earnings and begin to overtake. Is it likely or possible that it will be 2, 5, 10 or even 20 years before you make up the deficit? Know one can predict seniority list progression with certainty so there will always be an element of risk in the assumptions made.

Or, you mightn't even care too much about the remuneration and have decided, for instance, that constant 4 sector days (think JQ A320 Ops), regional flying (think Rex), GA, the Military or a life in the sand (EK, EY, QR) is not for you long term.

Horses for courses. Everyone will have different motivations and goals (career as well as life) but 28 is certainly not too late. 35 is not too late either depending on what you're giving up to go to QF. And of course even 60 is not too old if you're just happy to have a relatively well-paid, low-stress, cushy job to see you out until you hang up your wings!

No one, simple, easy answer unfortunately.

Good luck!

PG

Lee,

I have two friends who joined in the 2008 recruitment, both were 30 at the time.

There is an email address on the website. If you're military and don't meet the specifics then it's worth asking the question. I'm pretty sure the intent isn't to exclude MIL crew who may not have MEA on their licenses.

It doesn't state that the current Instrument Proficiency Check MEA needs to be on the Australian licence.

Does it? I see they have just added a link for clarification on the minimum requirements, but it still does not specify that the current IPC MEA needs to be on the Australian licence. If it does, then this rules out all Aussies currently flying in airlines overseas (unless you are willing to perhaps spend a few $'000s for a renewal in a simulator ) which probably is not the intent.

So when I go onto the website, there is no link to actually apply. Is the EOI closed already?

I think so, I couldn't find it either.

Link has disappeared, but no SO job was ever in the Careers section it directed you to.
Assuming someone uploaded the new page a little early, as from what I hear internal group applications are still open.

Close to the mark. I did speak to the HR manager on Sunday and let them know the link was live but no jobs were actually showing in the job search. The link was never supposed to go live until the jobs actually opened in the Taleo site.

Early next week was the time frame I was given but that was also subject to change.

Yeah it was hinted to being "maybe in the coming weeks"

Maybe QANTAS should sack the HR department for incompetency?
Would free up loads of cash to employ useful employees like.... I dunno Pilots?

Be quick or miss out.
 

OK. An update.
The link should go live again this afternoon.

My information is that it will only be open for 10 days. That means it closes 17 Oct. Of course it will open again at some stage but my guess is depending on demand that may not be until next year.

I also understand that it will NOT be advertised in the Australian (given today's is out already and next Friday doesn't allow much time) but will be on LinkedIn. So if you know of people in the outback who don't have much access to the Internet please give them a call and let them know that they'll need to hustle.

My guess for start dates is February although there could be a couple of earlier placements in January depending on how it plays out with ex cadets being released from their respective group subsidiaries.

Good luck with the process. Remember to 'just keep swimming'. :ok:

Hope their servers are in order. Might be a bit of a rush...

Keg: Thanks for keeping your finger on the pulse....so why would they open the EOI when they could easily fill the positions from internal EOI?

I suspect because internals aren't going to be able to be released in the numbers required. They will need to have hybrid courses from internals and externals so as to ensure the subsidiaries aren't left with even more critical shortages of crew.

Thanks for the info Keg - do you have any idea of the numbers for this particular intake?

Hello everybody, wondering if somebody could help me understand these requirements for the position of SO. They want a minimum of 250 hours PIC. Excluding any 'command under supervsion'

It's the 'command under supervision' i'm not sure about, getting different definitions of it from google. Basically as a First officer on a B737-800 can I ever claim to be PIC?? Some definitions say that so long as the Captain doesn't have to intervene I can log as PIC, others say otherwise. Only have 83 hours actual PIC on single engine and Multi engine, acquired through my inital training, the rest of my time is RHS of B738. Does this exlcude me from applying??

Thanks

"Some definitions say that so long as the Captain doesn't have to intervene I can log as PIC".......

Oh that's pure gold.

Talewind:

PIC is exactly that....pilot in command. There can only be 1 pilot in command of an aircraft. For multi crew operations this is normally the captain. As a result the min requirements are 250 hrs PIC (or 150 PIC if you have 100 hours ICUS (typically used for command upgrades etc) and either 1000 or 1500 hours co-pilot time. So in your instance where you have logged the majority of your time as copilot as long as it is more than 1000 or 1500 hours copilot, that box is ticked. Unfortunately given you have 80 odd PIC hours then you either need to somehow work out how to gain the additional 170 hours (in majority of cases) or unfortunately you would not meet the minimum requirements.

All the best.

Hi Talewind, to answer your question its referring to actual PIC so unfortunately it sounds like you do not meet the minimum requirements

If the Captain has to use anything other than standard calls then you can only log 40% as ICUS, if the PIC raises their hand to point you can only log 30% as ICUS and if the PIC rolls his/her eyes more then four times in a sector less than two hours or more than six times in a sector more than two hours but less than five hours you can log 50% ICUS. I hope that helps?

Where does this imaginary entitlement to Command Time come from?

Okay guys thanks for your help.

I'm assuming when they ask for an Academic Transcript they're talking about HSC results? (Maths, Physics etc)

Absolutely. From what I've heard it seems like HR has got QF by the balls though. Nobody should have any confidence in their "merit based" recruitment process after they cut more than a third of the former cadets in the last recruitment drive. Most of these guys have years of experience as FOs at QLink and JQ, some even have commands yet were deemed unsuitable to sit in the back of an A330. Further insult to injury when they were told not to reapply for a year!

Why the cadets weren't just taken in after a quick check of what they'd been up to is beyond me. The treatment of the last decade (plus) worth of cadets has been utterly appalling and nobody involved in recruitment has the guts to honor their commitments to these cadets.
:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Keg, thanks for keeping us up to date!

Question, if you don't mind me asking:
As I understand - command time requirements are tailored to bring in GA guys with experience. On the other hand - there will be a number of candidates like Talewind or myself who had gone through airline cadet programmes, currently employed overseas, but would like to return home.
Take my case for example: FO A321, IPC/MEAIR current, all required endorsements, flying in Europe, a bit over 1000TT, but only 85PIC. Not entirely the worst possible candidate, but unfortunately unable to apply due to command requirements. I have a feeling that this case could have been overlooked.
Perhaps you could mention this scenario to HR? ....unless it was planned to be this way :E

In any case - best of luck to those who can apply! Exciting times ahead!

How commutable is an SO position?

Very. How enjoyable is the commute? Not very:bored:

Trips are generally dense enough to get reasonable time off in between, though higher divisors and being junior may mean getting more 3 day trips which makes commuting a bit more of a pain the backside.

Easy.

Depends where from of course... brissie or melbourne will get overnights etc for 330 crew too