Rumours of QF A330 also getting additional JQ 787 routes back. MEL-BKK & SYD-HNL.
Not sure what aircraft will cover the Perth routes when the A330s transfer to LH.
What will come of JQ 787 operation?

Logically, QF should operate ALL of the 787s. Economy's of scale, easier crewing, etc etc.....

Solves a lot of problems and also corrects what was a poor decision in giving them to JQ to begin with. :ugh:

More than double that, before residuals in all categories. 30 Commands?

If only some of the internal rumours turn out to be even half true, it's looking good.
100 pilots on the current flying program is massive indicating that we are 100 pilots short now.
Vacancies in Qantas will in turn create vacancies at all the other Australian airlines (including Jetstar, there is no way no-one will jump ship), which is good for all. Now all we need is Virgin and Tiger to get their act together.

G'day All...:8

Been working overseas for a while now, coming on 10yrs. Love to comeback home.
Looking at this rumour mill Big rat might start recruiting again.
What are the chances for say a 45yrs old over 8k TT , PIC on B738, doesn't have Aus ATPL yet(due new System part 61?!?):sad:, But do have Aus CPL/MCIR. Looking at either converting from current ATPL Lic or do the whole ATPL course?:}

Probably a hiatus in December. They'd finish their induction and be trying to do EPs and so on over Christmas/ New Year. That'll never happen! :ok: January course and ongoing after that I reckon is a good bet. :cool: :D

Any rough estimates on the take home pay of an A330 SO with everything included. I have read he 250 page EBA and it is hard to get a good estimate with all of the add ins without having experienced how the pay is made up. Would it be closer to $100,000 or $150,000.

Cheers

Post 27 page 2 is the gross amounts. ATO website will assist with take home.

Closer to $100K with allowances on top.

Thank you for all the info Keg et al.

What are the "averages" for allowances and what are the average days away from home, sectors etc for the current fleet?

Good summation.
Good variety too is worth mentioning.
I'd view the 100k figure as a starting figure too but not too sure. Would be good for a current 330so to chime in - yearly pay scales.

These are the A330 S/O hourly pay rates for the first few years.

QAL LHP EA 2015 - Classifications and Pay Rates 1 Jul 17


S/O

Year A330

1 $88.91

2A* $95.15 (First 6 months of year 2)

2B** $111.17 (second six months of year 2).

3 $116.96

4 $120.40

5 $126.60

6 $130.05

Min guarantee is 1040 hours per year. You can add at least 30 hours to that with 4 sims, EPs, security, etc. Current divisor equates to 1170 per annum plus the extra hours for sims.

Allowances on top again.

If you want the 1 Jul 18 rate add 3%.

Current 330 S/Os are on the year 7 or maybe year 8 rate so they're going to be earning more than 35% more than a year 1 S/O.

Rough figures only, expect first year gross around $95K, end of year 2 around $115K. On current divisors expect around $160-170K as a year 8 S/O plus allowances.Tops out at year 12, which would probably be another 5-10K. Not much overtime on 330, I average about 5 or so hours a roster (56 days), though some rosters virtually none. Currently work around 25 days a roster.

Thanks for all the detailed responses! :ok:

I still reckon QF would have the best working conditions on the planet at the moment. Good to see some movement.

Totally agree Don! :ok:

[quotethen the 737 is likely to be the only short term promotion available. The 737 has bases in all the state capitals around Australia except TAS and NT but don't expect to earn much more than you will be earning as a 5-6 year S/O on the 787 or A330. ][/quote]

Minimum 200k up to 250k per year for 737 F/O's during Last couple of years. Captains 300-400k on the 737. Fact. Long haul types tend to underestimate Shorthaul Award massively. It's all about me, while we clean up. Fact, I have grossed 75k in the first 3 months of this financial year. Take away the bonus 58k. That's still pointing to 232k next financial year as an F/O minus the bonus. Including bonus I'm looking at 255k for the year, as an F/O. There are a few high hour Captains looking at 430k. And that is with no back of the clock flying. It's absolute gold, so I say go for it, especially if you detest back of the clock long haul crap.

So humble! :rolleyes:

Well AoA you must be picking up a stack of extra hours per month.
For the uninitiated, you would not earn that sort of coin just working divisor, you must put your hand up for extra work and consequently less days off.
Not disputing the figures, it's certainly possible to earn that much as a 737 F/O but that would be at the upper end of the spectrum, not the average.

If that's what the NB left seat is getting, I don't think I want to know what the WB rate is!

Well it's good to know I've got something to look forward to if the A380 cuts back to routes with no overtime...

Promotion to the 737!:E

My last 365 days is 730 stick hours, not excessive.

730hrs in a 1930s tech aeroplane is a very good effort. With more hours can you get onto something modern?

Beer Baron, No it's average at the moment. You must be long haul?

The only thing that makes the 738 the same as the 1967 version is that it's got 737 painted on the side 😊

Year 4 F/O hourly rate (max hourly rate) ATM is $188.93.

So 58K in 3 months is about 290 stick hours (give or take with passive and paxing credits, allowances etc).

Your 730 hours a year looks more like this:

$188.93 X 730 = $137,918.90
6 weeks leave = $15,913.72
6 training events = $4,534.32
Total is $158,366.94

So for your minimum of 200K a year you need to make up a 42K defecit with allowances, paxing credits (unlikely) and bonus (not guaranteed)....... or HOURS. (Unless you are including company super contributions in your total - that bumps it up a little).

Based on your 58K in 3 months and from my own experience 90-100hrs a month should get you there.

So yes over 200K is achievable, doing about 90 hours month in month out which is approx 500 sectors a year and 8 -9 days off every month and constantly chasing work/putting name in the book. IMHO the LH award gives you time off and guaranteed money and despite the jet lag is a better lifestyle option unless you're happy with the less hours (money) to get the time off in SH.

Edit: I should add, my last full year SH my bonus was paid at 1100 credit hours. Based on current hourly rates that's about 240-250K ( inclusive - allowances, passive and paxing credits and possible bonus but not super) a year but you work for it.

You're forgetting one thing chaps...credit hours and actual stick hours on the 737 can be very different things :} ;)

Days at work?

But it's not true that you work more days in SH. If you like day trips, you may "go to" work more days, sure, but you'll probably be finished by lunch time or, if it's your fancy, not go to work until 2 or 3 in the afternoon and be home to watch the end of that boring English crime drama your wife is watching on Netflix.

Or if your not into day trips and want multi day trips. At the top, you will get your 70 hours done in 9 or 10 days. At the bottom it might be 16. On average you'll actually work the same number of days in SH and LH. It's the length of the trip, and by consequence the length of the break in between trips that changes.

I agree LH is a better lifestyle if your worried about money, as it a guaranteed amount and won't reduce (more or less).

My average last year was 77 hours/ BP and I worked an average of 14.5 days/BP.

Well seeing as we are all comparing, the last I measured I'm 2.5 inches flaccid and 6.2 inches when erect.

What's that you say? No one wants to hear about my personal sh*t?

Precisely.

If the info is unhelpful to you. Ignore it.

And I'll wager that extra 0.2" is vitally important.

What did you measure it with? A laser?

Q. Hey mods, why won't PPRuNe let me use the word L A S ER without putting an '@' where the 'a' should be? Maybe it's an iPhone thing, but it's happening on the full site as well as the mobile site.

So it turns out earning all that money and flying big shiny jets doesn't make your wang any bigger afterall. Appreciate the facts gentlemen, but can we get back on topic? This is a rumour network afterall and I've heard a solid one that recruitment is all internal for the foreseeable future. Can anyone verify this?

The B747 fleet is currently short of S/O's and with some about to leave for F/O training on B737 & A330 fleets, the shortage is going to be critical. Some of the new hires may end up going Boeing instead of Airbus.

What about the overhead panel on the B738, Chad? It's so ancient, it belongs in a museum.

Agreed....hell of alot more to life than $.

I'd heard that new hires will all start on the A330, as that is the intent of the EA, allowing A330 SO's to move up to the B747 or A380.

Going Boeing.

True. But they are only switches.

$200,000 as a 737 FO? !!!!!!

F**k me. You guys must be among the best paid pilots in the world outside of places where no one wants to live.

It's compensation for the stupid hat...

Angle of Attack, thanks for posting some of your figures. Whilst to some it may come across as an appendage comp to some, to others it's very useful in order to compare the TC's in their respective outfit.

NARROW BODY Q's:
Can I ask, are allowances on top of that? Say 15k cash?
How many days at home per 28 days are you getting?
I assume you'd be clearing about 10-11k a month.
How much duty per month/annum or stick per year?

The issue for me, as someone has already pointed out, is the starting wage on the 330/787 looks to be around a 100k so it's a bit of a haircut to come across to say the least. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that just about every other aspect of your company is far superior to any I know of. I've been reading up and talking to people and its eye opening.


WIDEBODY Q's:
Is it fair to say that if you are on the 330 you are away a lot (no day trips)?
How does it work? Two big trips a month or multiple small trips?
How many days at home?
Will a new-hire sit on reserve or what you call a "blank line" in Sydney the whole time?
When will recruitment to 330 stop and become 787 recruitment?
So a first year so gets 100, could you expect overtime and allowances on top and if so how much? How much would a new hire be clearing?

Anyway lots of questions thanks in advance for any responses.

It will be interesting to see if recruitment is exclusively for group pilots initially? Is anyone in the know? I can imagine there'd be a lot of interested parties from within the group, but release from current employer would be subject to operational requirements. Will they need more pilots from outside to slow the group attrition? Or am I completely overestimating the amount of interest from inside? The email was only seeking an EOI, so recruitment could very well be open to the broader community when it does kick off. Great to see progression to mainline from the broader group!

Or the fact qantas have some of the most experienced FOs in the world. Sitting there for 15-20 years does that.

In other parts of the world a narrow body jet is doing your time until you get to fly a real one. Which you may find yourself doing with a couple of thousand hours TT.

Is there an issue with mainline 737 fo's being paid around 200k plus?

Yes the stick hours are up at the moment but the Qantas group has made a record profit and a significant portion of that was thanks to Qantas domestic.

We pilots are a funny breed! Was not that long ago that it seemed other entities within the 'group' who were working 90 hours stick a month deemed not paid enough, but now when we hear the earnings of mainline under the 'short haul' contract illustrated, there seems to be a thought of.....s$it that's seems a lot....

I think its great that thes pilots earn that amount, may it continue