Neither. HR are the high priests at QF now, and their preference is for applicants who will, going forward, embrace diversity, empowerment and disruptive thinking, while reaching out holistically to perform a deep dive outside the box.

Don't forget to mention the "stakeholders".

I hasten to add, I have no idea what a stakeholder is, maybe it's this guy?

Shut it.

This banter is unbecoming of my profession.

FRQ

First: "Shut it." Seriously? :rolleyes:

Second: Having spent over three decades in my profession, I don't need you to tell me what is or isn't becoming of it.

And finally: You might want to rethink your attitude. Being rude, pompous and arrogant won't actually help your QF application (contrary to what some might claim :) ), and if your last post is any indication, not many people are going to look forward to sharing a flight deck with you.

Itsnot... et al,

Settle down and stop looking for a fight where a fight doesn't exist please.

My comment is directed broadly towards the trivial bickering going on about religion and unnecessary personal attacks against PPRuNers.

Your little joke about HR bring the high priests was actually funny and not unbecoming.

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Dammit, I am now responsible for another irrelevant post encouraging the ridiculous thread drift.

Methinks everybody needs to put some salt in everything they hear and some sugar in everything they say.

(I'm reminded of the Carly Simon sing that wasn't about that guy... except that it was when she started singing "I bet you think this song is about you, don't you...")

No more thread drifts please.

Edit: I think I'm quite good company in the flight deck! My mum says I'm cool!

The kids filed them in the " you have to be kidding basket" You want us to give up driving the B787, just to drive the B737 around the paddock, and get a white hat? Inya dreams.

Internal recruitment looks to be continuing with people from Cobham, Network and Qlink having assessment dates but no one from JQ.

Funny if they're actually holding Jetstar applicants back, I mean is that even legal? I would have thought it'd be a form of discrimination?

I'm assuming they're putting through external people to assessment days, but i haven't heard of any JQ's getting them yet.

Selecting people to employ is THE definition of discrimination. That is how it works.

Well isn't your current employer part of your experience?

At the end of the day they will take who they want and it is not "illegal" discrimination as defined in the Act.

Unfortunately in our enlightened western liberal democracy an employer has their hands tied. Eg. You own a small business and want a receptionist, you know you want a young lady but thanks to our current legislation you cannot state that in the advert. So lots of people apply including young men (or old ex pilots) who have simply wasted their time because you were never going to employ them anyway. Now we could debate whether this is "wrong" ad nauseum but it would not change anything.

When Kendell, Hazelton and Skywest became part of the Ansett group I believe there was tacit agreement of no poaching. Is that ilegal? No. Even if it was could you prove it? No.

Q will take who they want when they want from where they want. Of course they will not want to create two training slots by taking from "in house" but they still do so occasionally.

I once went to an interview where the panel members told me "we're unlikely to hire you based on the previous two pilots we hired from your current employer "

Then they should never have been allowed to interview anyone. Hopeless approach to interviewing keen candidates for positions.

Why do you only want a young lady to the exclusion of any men or an old lady?

"Funny if they're actually holding Jetstar applicants back, I mean is that even legal?"

No, its not legal.

Looks to me as most people on here couldn't care less they are holding back Jetstar pilots. That is of course unless you are a jetstar pilot. Whether it's legal or not, it is wrong. Has it been done before? Sure. Will it be done again? You bet. But it does not change it from being wrong and unethical.
In times of large scale recruitment being held back months can make many years difference down the line for your career, getting that command or that east Coast base you want.
Jetstar clearly have their pilots numbers ridiculously short. As a result a lot of pilots at Jetstar hoping to make a career change into qantas will be affected. They either have the choice of jumping on the back of the que in qantas or staying at Jetstar. It's the individuals decision based on their age, their want to change jobs, family life etc etc.

Maybe QF don't want to "pollute the culture" :) we know how important that was to Jetstar.
It's about rich talking about ethics.

Maybe the Jetstar applicants are not as competitive as they think. Its a big world out there, and over 1000 applications were submitted. Sit on your hands, if QF want you, you will get in. Stop worrying about seniority.

You say that with an air of authority but do you actually know that to be the case?

Given Jetstar is 100% owned and operated by the Qantas group, would a job in mainline not be considered an internal transfer? As such, surely an employer is not legally bound to offer a promotion/transfer to an employee even if it may damage the operations of the business unit the employee would be leaving?

I don't know the correct answer to those questions with any certainty but I'd be interested if you could point to the legislation that shows it's illegal.

".....do you actually know that to be the case?"

Yes.

"....would a job in mainline not be considered an internal transfer?"

No.

".....could point to the legislation that shows it's illegal."

Yes, but not going to spend the time to do it. Australian employment law is very strict and reasonably clear.

But that doesnt stop the corporatocracy from doing exactly what they want to.

Not knowing the legal side of Aviation internal and external applicants policy.

I know many large companies have an equal opportunity policy which allows all internal and external applicants the chance to be interviewed and you can not be discriminated against if you are in either category... That being said I and others have been offered the job and told "we have an obligation to seek external applicants still, stdby"

Assume it's no different in Qantas, on paper at least..

Point nicely missed. It does not matter WHY an employer may want this, that is their prerogative. The legislation is window dressing that wastes peoples time.