Originally Posted by directimped
(Post 10375207)
What ever happened to packing a suitcase and heading into the bush? A lot of fun and teaches you valuable skills. If you are a sharp youngster, you will be picked up into a regional or better within a few years. I wouldn't give my GA time back for anything, some things you just can't learn in the right seat of a jet.
My 2c. The quickest and what appears to be the most reliable route are these cadet style schemes on offer by the parent companies. Not to thread drift, but if you look at the USA the same thing is happening to some degree. The legacy carriers are aligning themselves with flow through programs for there wholly owned regionals, or preferential interviews for contract carriers that fly their brand. That being said I wouldn’t change my GA/helicopter experience before jumping into the airlines either for the life experiences it provided me. But these days I recommend new guys to jump on the train that’s going to get them a seniority number the quickest. |
Thanks everyone for their valuable responses, I truly appreciate it.
To be completely honest, in regards to the path to becoming a pilot, I don't mind either undertaking a cadetship or doing it the "old fashioned way", (being that I get my CPL, then train or charter to get hours up before applying into the airlines.) I'm essentially looking for the fastest way to do enter the "big leagues" as I want to enter my dream career quickly but also well prepared and well rounded, and to me the cadetship option seems as though it would be the quickest way to enter mainline. In regards to joining the universities and going through their programs, this just doesn't seem very viable to me as an option due to the 3 year course with no guaranteed job - I actually did work experience at CAE Oxford (I live about 10 minutes away from YMMB) but I figure that undertaking a commercial license at the local flight schools would be much quicker and cheaper. Then again, I figure that if QF will be conducting their own training (and if they get up to 500 pilots per year as projected), why would they hire outsiders? The JQ and QF programs also look promising but what kinds of guarantees are in place for cadets as it seems quite fuzzy at the moment. Keen to hear all of your thoughts on this - in regards to the medical, I'm booked in to be having it in the next 2 weeks or so - I've done a TIF and have a heap of sim time (I've got a system at home) Thanks again for everyone's feedback |
I wouldn't be putting all my eggs in one basket if I were you.
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Originally Posted by rep
(Post 10376279)
I wouldn't be putting all my eggs in one basket if I were you.
i wouldn’t think many attending the qf school would end up in mainline, maybe the very minimal amount to keep applications flowing in. The school to me looked more aimed at recruiting people to qlink, over seas airlines, as well as simply training people who would be offered nothing at the end. its been very quiet since announcing the location. |
When you look at the marketing that’s been released, the school is offering graduates a chance to enter ‘the Group’. It might be called bait and switch, but Qantas are 'fine upstanding corporate citizens'. Caveat Emptor |
Keep a reality check
Originally Posted by TangoYankee777
(Post 10376006)
Thanks everyone for their valuable responses, I truly appreciate it.
To be completely honest, in regards to the path to becoming a pilot, I don't mind either undertaking a cadetship or doing it the "old fashioned way", (being that I get my CPL, then train or charter to get hours up before applying into the airlines.) I'm essentially looking for the fastest way to do enter the "big leagues" as I want to enter my dream career quickly but also well prepared and well rounded, and to me the cadetship option seems as though it would be the quickest way to enter mainline. In regards to joining the universities and going through their programs, this just doesn't seem very viable to me as an option due to the 3 year course with no guaranteed job - I actually did work experience at CAE Oxford (I live about 10 minutes away from YMMB) but I figure that undertaking a commercial license at the local flight schools would be much quicker and cheaper. Then again, I figure that if QF will be conducting their own training (and if they get up to 500 pilots per year as projected), why would they hire outsiders? The JQ and QF programs also look promising but what kinds of guarantees are in place for cadets as it seems quite fuzzy at the moment. Keen to hear all of your thoughts on this - in regards to the medical, I'm booked in to be having it in the next 2 weeks or so - I've done a TIF and have a heap of sim time (I've got a system at home) Thanks again for everyone's feedback My airline of choice was Ansett Australia. I was looking for work when it went bust. I wasn't eligible for QF at the time due to high school education and for probably political reasons I never would have gotten a job at Virgin. I'm now working overseas and don't see myself ever working in Australia. Go forth and learn to fly but do it in the knowledge that you won't get what you truly desire. If you can get what you want, then you've done well for yourself. |
This was me about 10 years ago, right out of school I applied for all the major cadetships and silly 20 Y.O me thought surely i'd get into one of them, but of course I didn't - these things are very competitive. Being rejected hurt, I had planned to give up on aviation if I didn't get into one. Anyway to cut a long story short, I ended up going the traditional way, spend my savings and working to get my PPL, used Fee-Help to get my CPL and my instructor rating. I was one of the guys who only really got his instructor rating because it seemed like the 'easy way'. But guess what I actually really loved instructing, especially when I got to split my time between instructing and multi engine charter. I've just started at my first airline and to be honest while I enjoy it and its exciting and rewarding, part of me would love to go back to instructing and charter if only I was earning a salary which I felt was worth the investment and hardwork I had and was putting in.
If you have a passion for aviation you'll find that no matter what your doing, if you getting paid to fly, you'll love and enjoy it. TBH sometimes this is the problem with aviation, employees know how much we love to fly. If an airline or Qantas is your goal then great, as an instructor I always found students with a long term goal worker harder and were far more dedicated but don't be supplied if that goal changes. Good Luck. |
Originally Posted by 737pnf
(Post 10377745)
Tangoyankee777
You can make a successful career for yourself as a pilot operating an aircraft that isn't propelled by fans... |
Have any external applicants who interviewed from mid last year heard anything about start dates for this year? Hearing of a lot of internal hold file applicants who are getting dates in May/June who interviewed last August.
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Originally Posted by cqd
(Post 10380634)
Have any external applicants who interviewed from mid last year heard anything about start dates for this year? Hearing of a lot of internal hold file applicants who are getting dates in May/June who interviewed last August.
Info from a friend of a friend - "10 new applicants joined in Jan with a further 10 monthly up until May" - Qantas HR. These are mostly if not all Internal applicants Ive heard of internals who have starts right up to December 19' There will still be external starts but it seems highly weighted on internals for the time being |
Yeah, I got that email yesterday too. Was quoted 12-18 months initially on the hold file but was kind of hoping to hear of some externals with start dates in the last half of the year.
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Just got off the phone to a friend who ended up resigning from the Qantas group with a start date for mainline in March this year but because they would not tell her a base or fleet until 4 weeks prior to starting they took another airline job with better service and job prospects. I was amazed but it made sense that they took a job that was certain and not unknown. They mentioned also the recruitment personal have been useless and extremely uninformative for the entire process. They are glad to have knocked them back. Ciao
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Why all the concern about "no guarantee of job" - that surely depends on the world economy
My understanding of the JQ cadetship is that at least 95% of those who got selected got checked to line That is a pretty healthy number |
Originally Posted by Hold_Short
(Post 10381562)
Just got off the phone to a friend who ended up resigning from the Qantas group with a start date for mainline in March this year but because they would not tell her a base or fleet until 4 weeks prior to starting they took another airline job with better service and job prospects. I was amazed but it made sense that they took a job that was certain and not unknown. They mentioned also the recruitment personal have been useless and extremely uninformative for the entire process. They are glad to have knocked them back. Ciao
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Originally Posted by cqd
(Post 10381550)
Yeah, I got that email yesterday too. Was quoted 12-18 months initially on the hold file but was kind of hoping to hear of some externals with start dates in the last half of the year.
Just because no external applicants may have a start date in July yet, won’t necessarily mean there aren’t any externals in July. |
If people are now getting start dates, as above, does this mean that all assessments for applicants who applied April last year are complete? |
Originally Posted by Hold_Short
(Post 10381562)
Just got off the phone to a friend who ended up resigning from the Qantas group with a start date for mainline in March this year but because they would not tell her a base or fleet until 4 weeks prior to starting they took another airline job with better service and job prospects.
Perhaps they didn’t want to reside in Perth for 6 months waiting for a BNE transfer or 737 MEL slot. 6 months is a long time in aviation (🙄not genuine unless WW3 or GFC2 erupts) I suspect the real explanation is beyond what is written above. |
Originally Posted by *Lancer*
(Post 10381573)
Internals receive longer notice periods due to the coordination afforded subsidiaries. Just because no external applicants may have a start date in July yet, won’t necessarily mean there aren’t any externals in July. |
It triggers me when I read that a pilot has "resigned from the Qantas Group" because they are going to only receive a measly 4 weeks notice for a mainline job. Left or right seat, it doesn't matter - in this industry it pays to be unencumbered by anything opposing a lifestyle change.
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Anyone Willing to provide a best guess/idea as to when applications will open again? |
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