You can blame lack of cabin crew for that :sad: but u get what u pay for

Press release on Friday saying ADL will get 2x A320s, not A319s. So are the A319s canned, going to MEL or SIN?

Also ADL-CBR flights announced from late March 4x weekly Mon/Wed/Fri/Sun afternoons

Of course, success isn't measured by whether you make money or not anymore, according to tiger........

Peanuts.aero quotes
"The A320s replace previously announced A319s due to the response to the recently announced Tiger Airways routes from Adelaide to Perth, Gold Coast, Hobart, Melbourne and Alice Springs"

I presume these new A319's are not on the assembly line yet, hence the changeover? Mabye there are a few spare birds out there also? I do think that the Adelaide market would have been better suited to the A319 though...

Good luck to Tiger trying to sell ADL-CBR as a non peak time service. Surely thie idea of flights to Canberra is to fly people into Canberra for a meeting, and fly them home in the late afternoon. You can do that on Tiger MEL-CBR services, but anyone using the Tiger ADL-CBR service will have to stay the night, which loses the savings they made on the airfare. But if people from ADL will use the service to have a holiday in Canberra, this is great.

If Tiger does want to start operating Trans Tasman, as they have said they might, are all the planes fitted for EROPS as standard, or would they need to add a couple of planes for those services?

from peanuts.aero
"Tiger Aviation, the company that operates Tiger Airways and Tiger Airways Australia, has reported (28-Nov-08) a full year group consolidated profit after tax of SGD9.9million for the financial year 2007/08 that ended on 31-Mar-08.

Key financial highlights for the FY 07/08 year included;

• Group consolidated profit improved by SGD24.7million from a loss of SGD14.8million to a profit of SGD9.9million.

• The total fuel spend for the year increased by 66% to SGD123m and the average price of jet fuel versus prior year increased by 17 % from USD80 to USD93 per barrel

• Earnings before interest, taxation, depreciation and aircraft rentals (EBITDAR) increased by 134 % from SGD26.7million to SGD62.6million.

• Year end cash balances increased by over 750 % from SGD3.9million to SGD33.4million

• No increase in shareholders’ investment which remains at SGD24.4million

• FY07/08 Net Profit for Tiger Airways Singapore of SGD37.8million

• Total pre-operating (start-up) costs for Tiger Airways Australia of AUD 7.9million have been fully expensed including set up of 12 airport operations across Australia

• Tiger Airways Australia operating loss of AUD12.2million for year ending 31-Mar-08, below initial forecast and all operations have been fully funded by positive cash-flow.

Tony Davis, Group CEO and President of Tiger Aviation said “We are delighted with the performance of both of our airlines during the last financial year. Despite difficult trading conditions, which saw our total fuel spend increase by 66%, we have created a solid
foundation for future regional growth by re-investing earnings in new opportunities, specifically the successful on-time, under budget launch of Tiger Airways Australia. Our employees in both Singapore and Australia have done a great job and we are confident
that our low fare model is the right product for our millions of customers across the Asia Pacific region”.
Davis continued “it is a testament to the strong business model developed by the Tiger Airways companies that even with the surge in oil prices and the additional complexities of operating two separate airlines, our company has declared a consolidated group profit after
only three years of operation and having fully expensed the start-up costs of our new airline in Australia – this is well ahead of the time taken by other leading global low fare airlines to reach profitability”.
The company’s airlines continue to generate strong cash-flows with cash balances increasing during the period from SGD3.9million to SGD33.4million. During the period the company secured deliveries for a further 50 Airbus A320 aircraft and 2 Airbus A319s bringing the total aircraft commitment to 72.
In addition to announcing the Tiger Aviation group profit of SGD9.9million for financial year 07/08, Tiger Aviation also gave an update on its operating performance for the Q2 of FY08/09. Compared to the year before the group achieved a solid performance in a challenging operating environment with :
- Passenger growth of 58.8%
- Capacity growth of 61.8%
- Gross revenue growth of 59.0%
Davis said “it is clear from these figures that Tiger Aviation is building a firm platform from which to develop our businesses across the entire Asia Pacific region and we look forward to continued strong passenger growth in the current financial year”."

Well done tiger ! :mad:

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What's on with the Oz Fleet these days?. Stands at 4 A320's , should be 5 though as of next week, but that was canned. Currently there is a new A320 at the Airbus Factory, due for Delivery at the end of this month to Tiger Aviation.

Rumour is also browsing that the 5th Plane to Australia is off to Singapore....TT Employees care to elaborate here? All those nice frequencies to HBA/LST/ADL/MCY starting next week have vanished...

Just what TT Managment trying to accomplish at the moment?

A little black duck told me that a number of new F/O's had declined the employment offer, due to some very nice clauses in the employment contract.

thanks to those guys one of my mates scored the job. cheers bros...:D

gotta think real hard before u decline jet job worth 105-110K per year with relatively quick progression.

Anyone care to share what those nasty clauses were?

Tiger will announce sydney on wednesday
 

:ok: Tiger will hold a conference on wednesday to let sydeny know they are coming......:{:sad: But are tiger really ready for this big move !

Do you have a source for your information?

You first post sound dodgy

Smart move if true. About bloody time. But are Sydney airport ready for them. I doubt it. Where would they park? What fee structure would be imposed on them? Tiger is very sensitive to over inflated fees. Look at the reasons they offered for pulling out of Darwin. $17/pax for security. Unsustainable according to TT management. It'll have to be a pretty sweet deal for Tiger to enter Sydney.

But when they do, it's gonna be a blood bath.:ok:

For whom? Them???:bored:

What will they use on these so called sydney services, more of these new aircraft that never arrive? And what has happened to all these extra flights they were going to start from this month? :hmm:

Is there room at SYD for them?

Well that aircraft is currently on final tests flights in Touluse, so I take its off to SIN for a few weeks before coming to Oz...
I always seem to see spare gates at T2, they only need one for 30mins. They use Aerocare, so I take it they will use the DJ side??

The "DJ Side"? What exactly are you smoking? Please tell us where the spare gates are there, we'd love to know as well......... Guess we'll get to see how good their OTP is now that they're operating into a "proper" airport:rolleyes::rolleyes:

so where did your mate get the job? Adelaide? which bases were the FO's turning jobs down for?

Hope your mate read the "Singapore Basing" and "Unnotified Unpaid Leave Period" clauses!:ok:

Desperate move for a desperate airline

Route Me
 

Sounds like it was "your mate" that didnt think real hard before accepting...

Whilst I havent read the Tiger contract, for some guys to turn down a what is most likely their first jet gig speaks volumes to me about the offer.

Hope he likes the idea of getting shafted to Singers at a moments notice and then not being able buy a house and take advantage of low interest rates nowadays 'coz the bank doesnt like the "unnotified unpaid leave" clauses in his contract. Sounds like your mate got the jump on those other fellas alright!:ok:

Tiger do nearly an 1hr turn around at LST most days, dont think that would work to well at SYD.:\

You Ozzies , always make Sydney out to be such a busy airport. even arrogantly thinking it comes close to Chicago or Heathrow.
PRM approaches , no place to park , bla bla

" Oh God forbid another A320 into Sydney , how will we cope.The infrastructure just cannot cope. Our controllers , ramp agents and fire services are just stretched to the max. Oh we better devise a new rule or procedure to accomodate it. I know dual independant PRM , slot controlled , PRNAV , Airbus only , CASA trained and ASA approved pilots only" ( thats just to start while we can think of some more rules and procedures)

Its a small town airport compared to the real world , get some perspective Australia . Embrace growth , encourage development and cut the beauracratic mediocrity.

Best said by a retiring UAL 744 Captain a few years ago , " Ah Sydney centre United --- , Its my last flight today and I just want to thank you for all the years of service throughout my career. You are definately the second best controllers in the world"

Sydney ATC, " Thanks Mate , just out of interest who,s the best ? "

UAL Captain , " everybody else"

NO offence to those that support the wallabies ( second best rugby team in the world)

fourgolds your points are valid however those that are responsible for the infrastructure are way behind and seem only interested in where they jam in another crispy cream, mc donalds etc.

No room on the DJ side, in fact DJ seem to be using a gate on the Qantas side these days.

Tigers on the loose in Sydney
 

This is slightly left of field to the discussion, but how many pax who arrive and depart SYD, are tranisitting thru and if there was an option, would not have landed there at all?
I wonder if there really is a need for so many aircraft to go thru SYD?
I believe if TT do go in there, it will indeed be interesting.
I avoid the place as often as I can, thoughts anyone??

DJ only has 6 gates the rest are "Common User Terminals". This means the last three have to be shared and the 3 on the Jetstar finger are also shared. BG should have bought the terminals when they were up for sale but didn't. It is another of his regrets I am lead to beleive..

There's an old "Domestic Express Terminal" sitting waiting for such a go, where Rex are parking their uncrewed airframes.

Look mummy I got a job on the big Jet , but I will still have to keep the job at McDonalds and live at home!

Your mate must be the luckiest bloke in aviation to score a gig like that.

The domestic express terminal is now DHL corporate offices, what a great idea there............................ The bayss are still there just the terminal cant be used.

What about doing what AirAsia does at certain ports, in parking the A320 before the Aerobridge to aviod the costs of it, and ground crew dont need to then pushback aircraft.

Can this be done at any gates around YSSY though?? or just park on a Bay somewhere and get the pax walking!

Fourgolds, either you don't fly into SYD domestic, or you just missed the point. Nobody said the place was as busy an many international ports are. It is kept artificially busy through the limitations, greed, shortages and stupidity that is endemic to the place. Many of the captains I fly with have extensive international experience, and lambast the place because of how it is operated. The fitting in of another operator is wishful thinking at best. As I mentioned earlier, IF they decide to add SYD to their flights, then they aren't going to be an "On Time" operator for very long, and the rest of us will simply get worse. (If that is possible......)

Ok, so DHL took over that bit too did they?
I just thought they had their offices for their "Asia/Pacific" shed held within and the Dom Express Terminal was a basic shell.
Wouldn't take much to get up and going again though I guess and you could park the SAAB's down next to the Fire Station on 16R, out of the way:}

Waren9 - I have read the contract - the clause clearly states that the period of unpaid leave is "by mutual agreement", substantially different to your claim of 'unnotified unpaid leave'.

Route Me
 

I was only opining on some very possible outcomes of what KTM525 had said.

That said, what credible employer offers work with unpaid leave clauses already in the contract? Either the work is steady and they need pilots or it isnt and they want employee flexibility for free.

Anyone in the game for long enough knows that "by mutual agreement" really means "We've got deeper pockets than you, so threaten us with the employment court if you want".

Good luck to your mate. Let us know how he gets on.

nobody show up to this Sydney Conference did they now??

Everyone so bitter and twisted about the Tiger contract. It is simple if you don't like it don't accept, stay in GA building those usefull turbo prop or piston hours. The grass isn't always greener, the money isn't always better and no job in aviation has any real form of stability. Just look at the relatively unforeseen demise of Ansett.

Most of all don't comment with hearsay, especially on something you obviously know nothing or at least very little about. You simply make yourself sound like a pathetic GA pilot who most likely will never get the opportunity to fly a jet because you think you are that great your services are worth a premium. Good luck on that one Champ.

Just for your info, the tiger contract is similar to every other low cost carrier in the world, it is a company that provides the opportunity to get a step up into that first jet job. Not unlike Jetstar they offer a base salary and additional hourly flying pay, unlike jetstar there is no minimum before the hourly pay commences.

This contract is very similar to Jetstar in many ways, the only difference being that instead of laying pilots off if the OZ market dives, they offer the opportunity to transfer to Singapore so you at least have a job. If you don't like that option you stay in OZ and take the LWOP. Unlike Jetstar you don't get the oneworld staff travel, but hey I would rather have a jet job than wait for them to recruit again.

Like I said earlier, no one is forcing you or your mate to agree to the terms and accept the opportunity. At the very least you should have the courtesy to give everyone else the opportunity to make up their own minds.

Maybe you are jaded because you didn't get the call up, maybe you have a better paid job or already have a jet position somewhere else. Most likely you have no touch with reality and still think that every airline is desperately short of pilots.

For those that accepted congrats on your first jet job.

Bullseye Wardog. Finally someone who sees it the way it is.

wardog. Well done. About the best post I have ever read on pprune. You knockers out there should read this and have a long hard look in the mirror!