LRT,

Let me rephrase for clarity,

All new crew are made to sign the new agreement, full time.
Current crew are being strongly encouraged by Skippers to sign the new agreement.

My apologies for not being clearer.

That is no different to any other awa skippers have put out.
Even the old one, sign or your not employed.
New employees are new employees, if ya wanna work , you gotta sign:ok:

Well there is the rub...why lock in to three months notice at Skippers when Network, Complete etc do not expect the same and I believe are still looking for crew.

People will vote with their feet by walking past Skippers. Most pilots who have minimum time for a command at Skippers also meet VB minimums.

anyone know what the current time to get command for the various fleets is at skippers at the moment? how does it differ for various experience levels ie a pilot put on as an f/o with their 500 multi already compared to a cadet or someone with only 100 or so multi?

500 multi command would get you into the left seat after a couple of months as F/O, if you have an ATPL of course. Mainly for Braz and Metro. Dash you'd be there longer.

Time to command
 

kair1234,

I spent 7 days as an F/O checked to line on the Metro fleet. Actually, better make it 9 days cause there was a weekend in there somewhere.

Only got my ATPL the week before though.

A few guys who have joined the company with an ATPL and in some cases some initial turbine time have gone straight into the left seat of a Metro, but I don't think they do the same for the Braz.


520.

cheers guys,

and what happens for people that fall below the 500 multi command, do they just icus you until you do have 500

Rumour has it atleast another 11 staff from Skippers are being interviewed by another blue tailed organisation early next week, care to comment?, see you soon boys.

Heard tonight of a guy going for an interview and was told he would have to pay 30k for Metro endo. Applicaton form was promptly thrown on the floor and walked over by the guy as he left their office. :ok:

I know it's a rumour network Jock, but their management couldn't be that insane!

Could they?

30K would just about buy you a Metro.:mad:

Was he quoted for the "cadetship"?

I was recently quoted 34K (M23) and 39K (Dash 8) for the Skippers Cadetship.

Like many others I know I promptly declined!

This is going from the bizarre to the downright unbelievable.

If 30k upfront for a metro slot is true then Skippers will not be able to continue. There just isn't anyone left that will pay that sort of money for a crummy Metro endorsement. Someone tackle them on the way out of the interview if they intend to. Can Skippers even provide the pilot to supply the endorsement? If the rumours here are any indication, it sounds as though they have no pilots left anyway...

Network bond people for 18 months and 18k on a Bras with a 5 grand top up when upgraded to a command. Even they are looking hard to find suitable applicants. Apparently they have twice the number of captains on the Bras that Skippers do and are still looking for more.

If Jock's story is true then they deserve everything they get.

I know of a guy who is thinking about leaving before he is even endorsed because of a lack of training! Whats with that.

Skippers seem to be getting what they deserve. If they don't wise up, front up with the training and go the bond route they will be stuffed.
However, tales of guys stomping out of interviews in high dudgeon smack of a certain pilot arrogance. Just remember that the tide always turns, aviation always suffers a bust after a boom, and some management types have long memories.
If you don't like what's on offer, thank them politely, tell them what YOU would consider as a fair deal, leave them your contact details, thank them again, shake hands and walk out the door.
At least that way, you won't have totally burned a bridge you may need to cross in the future.

Well said:ok:

barondriver,

Have you accepted the offer yet?

Did you check the T&C's before the interview?

All you boys and girls out there, don't take anything for granted. Make sure you educate yourselves to what is actually on offer.

If you are an existing employee, then I guess you probably know what your next step should be....

This is all very interesting!

I have an interview coming up with this mob soon and I don’t meet the current minimum requirements, At this stage I assume its for some sort of direct entry FO gig as there is no mention of anything else, in fact there is no mention of any fleet type at all.

I am desperate to further my career with a company like this but I’m F#%KED if I would pay 30k for the privilege! If they try and pull any of that S#%T on me I will walk so quickly they wont know what hit them! I’ll stick to flying 152’s for a bit longer if I have too.

As per the new conditions on offer I haven’t seen a copy so I guess they spring that one on you at the last minute.

I’m starting to wonder if this is the dream job I have been looking for, is it that hard to get the respect and conditions we deserve in this industry????????

Mecarsa Bitrusty
 

Mecarsa Bitrusty, sounds like you might be flogging around the circuit for a long time to come in the 152.

Personally I would follow gas-chamber’s advice. The people who hire and fire in aviation, as elsewhere, have very long memories when it comes to potential pilot/employee tantrums.

It is much better to wait for them to counter offer at a later date when they are really desperate, assuming that you actually have something to offer. It’s worked for me in the past.

as my grandmother use to say, "marry in haste, repent at leisure!!!":ugh:

Anyone heard any results from the Skywest interviews over the past couple of days and whether any Skippers crew have been given the nod?

Heard a rumour that a number of them have already been given the nod, and apparently more to come in the next two days.

Has anybody got an answer to the question asked by barondriver? His question was particular pertinent. Here is his post again:

Welcome to Skippers guys, you are potential employees who haven't yet entered the front door, what a laugh. :ugh: :\ :ugh: :ugh: :hmm: and the company thinks it can be trusted from day 1, it seems not.
Well the AWA is as you see it, BUT you get a letter of appointment and with that letter is detailed the bonus portion. If you are joining on the assumption of getting $75 or $95k for whichever fleet you are joining, then make sure that if entering as a captain that the letter of appointment states that you will get $87155.90 + super (aka $95K).
Just make sure if you applied relating to the ad then you should receive what was advertised ie FROM $75/$95...... as a minimum remuneration or would that be false advertising otherwise?
The only worry that the current guys have is whether the BONUS portion could be changed, and if so people would go back to the AWA wages of what you have posted here in with an unfair 3 month notice for leaving SA. :mad:
Laser

FYI,

TWU:
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...r/SCAN0015.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...r/SCAN0014.jpg

AFAP:
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...r/SCAN0008.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...r/SCAN0009.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...r/SCAN0010.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...r/SCAN0011.jpg

Shed Dog Tosser,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR POSTING THE ABOVE LETTERS!!!!:ok::D:D
They pretty much say it all and show some of the benefits of union membership.
Ones own knowledge and reading of such a document cannot match those of experienced union industrial officers who know the ins and outs of exactly what to look for etc.
I am looking for a new job having just moved back to Australia and Perth permanently and have been reading this thread for over 6 mo and havent seen 1 positive comment on here about this company.
From the past 6 mo worth of comments including those from many pilots working there it is easy to see why they are loosing people hand over fist and why some smart pilots are refusing to sign the present AWA.

Since they insist new pilots sign it as is, with no scope for changing any of the conditions ( so I understand) I for one will not be able to apply as I simply could not abide by the 3 mo notice condition for a start. That is an OUTRAGE!!!
Even CEOs at large corporations all over the world are usually required to only give a months notice, let alone ordinary staff.
In the USA for eg,almost ALL WORKERS in any industry or company are employed "at will" which means absolutely no notice is required by either employer or employee to say Adios, Im outta here.
I don,t think that is a good thing ,but 2-4weeks notice by employee or the company paying you in leiu of any notice if you are fired or laid off is fair enough.
The question now is will the companies existing pilots and new prospective pilots speak up and propose new conditions for a fair and beneficial AWA or get the TWU or AFAP in to negotiate a CA or EBA????

Appreciate efforts, reward Captains? Forget the FO's, FA's,rampies,it has never happened since Skippy's inception and won't change now. Plenty of money in the bag but better spent on pubs and horses.

and prostitutes! It doesn’t take much for the word to get around.

The Captains are hardly rewarded for their efforts if they are payed what is posted. The AFAP and TWU have pretty much summed it up for everybody concerned. If you don’t believe them then sign up and don’t come crying later on!

This company makes Rex look like Disney Land. Bunch of white collar criminals. Time is running out.

FP_ACE, so is this the route you plan on taking? or are you just floating it.

I guess what I am getting at, is I doubt your mates would have the balls to admit that they are not happy with their decision after spending mum and dad's 35k on an endorsement.

Compare the T&Cs those 4 blokes are getting with the **** that they would have gotten in GA............

Cadets are great until the captains go to Skywest. :}

They are in GA!!:ugh::ugh:

or Alliance...:\



PS. "Gotten" is not a word!:hmm:

Does anyone have any info if Skippers is presently hiring and into what aircraft/seat?????
What is currently happening at Skippers re new hires and AWAs????
Is everyone forced to sign the present one that the AFAP and TWU advised not to or can you negotiate your own individually???
I was going to apply to see if I could get a DEC position on the Metro or FO on something bigger.
Any responses from actual Skippers pilots would be appreciated or people who ACTUALLY KNOW accurate info, not rumours or speculation please.
Thanks everyone :ok:

Got Gotten
 

Gotten is too a word. Refer here.:8

And here I was expecting to see this thread re-ignited with some news about the Skippers juggernaut and it's only a grammatical statement.

Anyone out there have any news on movements into or out the aforementioned juggernaut??

And here I was expecting to see this thread re-ignited with some news about the Skippers juggernaut and it's only a comment about a grammatical statement.:}

:}:}:} At least people are laughing about this thread now. There was a bit of anger for a while there...

Word on the grapevine is the AWA is changing to attract more crew! Dont sign anything!

Not possible. Aviation doesn't work like that. Ask Aircraft!!