Led Zep,

PMSL!!! This is the funniest thing I have read here in ages!! Or, it would be if it weren't all true... :(

Where's JP off to then, was wondering when he'd make the Great Escape, nice bloke always good to work with. Word has it RF can't get another job in aviation because everyone else knows what he's really like, the guy goes on about customer servce and image and all that crap, yet at times could be regularly seen losing his 'nana at some poor terminal girl behind the check in counter- how's that for your positive PR RS???! Not to mention his dropping in at the worst time from his 'corporate'(aka diving holiday) trips right when ramp was at its busiest and couldn't afford to spend the extra time running around after him and his mates...

Oh yes and let's not forget chasing all the p!ssed pax around the tarmac after said winery charter flights... the apron is a safe environment for that, not!!! :E

Last I heard the hardworking fish was off to better things, let's hope his rosters have improved somewhat since then!!! :}

For anyone wanting to know how much this company values its staff (in case everyone already didnt) I recall running into a check in chick in tears from the stress, and she made.... get this... $8 per hour for working a 40 hour week. (Of course, only 38 of those were paid) No wonder they all left!!!

So what happens now?...
 

The thread has been going a while and regurgitated similar points over that time, place is cr@p... people leaving... not enough crews... etc

But RS is gone, SQ has had a play and decided to sell, GH has decided to throw in the towel... so with that kind of siesmic shift at the top, where can the staff see themselves now in the near future? Is there a future?

In my time there the staff for the most part are a great bunch of people, doing alot with little... well those that stick around do... but for those teetering on the edge of looking for something else, do they or hold off?

Ok, an airline (term used loosely :p) isnt something thats going to sell overnight, is it worth hanging in there to see what transpires or take the writing on the wall as the order to abandon ship?

The company has had some changes through management in the last 12 months, surely this would be a red flag to CASA (apart from the obvious of June last year)

I see the current situation raising some interesting questions about the longevity of the company, is this (the possible sale should it eventuate) the turning point or are the problems too deeply ingrained?

No pay rise for Dash F/O's
 

Heard from a mate that the Dash F/O's arent getting their payrise. Company decided not to tell them this officialy, they were just hoping they went away.

That's gonna help things a lot :ugh:

I wonder if one of the larger local operators will buy skippers out and use all that tarmac space for a jet service. Seems jets won't happen under the skippers flag.

Heard that one too..... and current t & c conditions just got worse for all new hires, 1000 hrs per year and 90 days instead of the previous 900 hrs and 30 days with NO increase in pay.

Bunch of F/Os soon to leave and more captain resignations on the way...

SQ you just dont learn do u :ugh:

Been told the story goes....

It appears that the braz boys were secretly given a pay rise late last year, making them earn around 5g more than their Dash 8 colleagues :confused:

Through the normal rumor-mill (crew room :ok:), the dash boys soon found out

Dash FOs got together and wrote a letter to their CP politely asking for a match in pay...

Apparently, this was't the CP's problem, as he was going on holiday....:*

The letter was then directed the the acting CP, not his problem either :eek:

With initiative, the letter was re-directed to the CEO / acting CEO himself. Quick response from the man, saying the matter will be dealt with accordingly when the CP returns from holiday

CP returned in march :sad:

Dash boys patiently waited for some news :rolleyes:

and waited... :sad:

and waited... :(

and have been told 'sorry', matter is not being dealt with any further.

Skippers Mole, that is axactly what I was told. Makes you wonder what they will do when more than half of their F/O's ,who are currnetly looking elsewhere or are actually about to leave, walk away. :ugh::ugh::ugh:

Not sure exactly why any of you guys are so suprised, the last twenty odd pages pretty much sums it up.

From what is written here, before it was turd sandwiches in the award, then the EBA, then the AWA, then the ITEA, why would you expect a CA to be any better ?, which union was involved ?, how long did the negotiation phase take ? :ouch:.

Vote with your feet folks, you'll sleep better at night and have a better lifestyle.

Is the "privledge" of flying a dash or bras really worth the cost of being part of such a culture.

i think coastwatch may have something to do with that! :D, maybe they'll learn this time

I doubt it :ugh: .....the opportunity to make another 40g is far too tempting....lol

Re pay i.e. Braz/dash debarcle; money ain't likely to make a difference to the ones it has effected most....the horse has already bolted so to speak and one can't blame them.

All the best...the grass is greener :ok:

This thread is as long and drawn out as some of the stories that the FO's have to endure when rostered on with %#, AKA. Roger RAMJET. Same sh!t OVER AND OVER AND OVER. :hmm:

Retaining FO's may be better if a sterile cockpit was raised from ten thousand to anything below FL450.

We all know how good you are. Stop telling us.

PLEASE MAKE IT STOP :{:{:{

(Well spotted)

hi folks,

can anyone tell me what the pay is like (a figure) for the captains and fo's on the braz and dash at skippers. i know network are paying about 86k for captains and 52k for fo's on the braz.

lemel

The price is life......inprisonment

Ask Roger Ramjet how good he was as an ultralight instructor. ;)
I bet he misses those army style flying overalls. :E

What do some of you fellas expect at skippers? paying 30K to get a metro FO gig as a green CPL with 200TT, then moan and complain 12 months down the track that you are being treated like ****e. Your then stuck there waiting for the illusive ICUS as an FO, with 70 hours command from your CPL and 1000 hours FO time. You feel its a real step back to go drive a 210 in the bush cause you are up the front of a more substantial bird now, yet the piston twin operators wont hire you for some command and you can't work out why. long story short your stuck at skippers moaning about how tough it is, waiting for ICUS, not enough guys left to give it, and the brilliant cunning short cut into the dream jet job that you thought you found was really just a mirage. The guys you trained with that went bush are now finishing their 500 multi command, some off to the majors and others getting commands above you, and you have not achieved anything but a bitter taste in your mouth. I hope Mummy and Daddy still pat you on the head when you walk through the front door showing you off to their friends and boasting about how well you have done for yourself.

Skippers was good a few years ago, you fellas made it the way it is by coughing up the coin for a shortcut. The rest of the industry is booming, yet skippers are bleeding.

I apologise to the good folk at skippers that have done it the right way, You are the ones that keep the place together. Greener pastures will happen to everyone in these good times, one day you will look back on it all and smile.

Chow

Mach, do not lump all those who work/worked there within the same boat. Do not blame the "cadets" for the trouble the company is in, they are the result of a twisted culture and sick management. I know you have never worked at Skippers so here is a heads up - the first person ever to pay for a job there is still employed by the company in a very, very high position.
:=:=

Ciao for now machie.

I'm with Mach!

There are exceptions to the rule, and everything has contributed to the way it is! Not just pilots. RF is a good start.

Brazdriver, there's nothing to be gained by pointing the finger, the problem is far greater, it's become a culture which stems from the top - everyone knows that.
Mach summed it up perfectly, say no more!

Yep mach is right for a lot....


No its not the culture and yes some finger pointing can be done!!!
To say it is a culture is cooping everyone together.

You may be supprised that there are a few people there for a while who are generally happy and just rock up and enjoy the job and go home to sink piss!!!!


No-one gives two sh@#s about whingers

Some people do enjoy poling around the sky:ok:

Brazdriver,

Is he still there ?, thought the organisation would have gotten smart and found someone,,,,,,,,,,IMHO that was an IQ over 60 and capable of managing, looking beyond his nose.

I remember someone whacked him a few years ago, and he still did not work it out, dumbass.

That person is just one fine example of the culture that is embraced.

Lemel, if you are seriously considering joining the ranks, you can do better, far better in this climate.

"Cadetship" is a seriously floored proposal, do they seriously not know that they will always be referred too as cadets ?, sure a Metro/Bras or Dash 8 will be PIC'd by a CPL holder, just keep dreaming.

Sorry did I say 210s? I meat Partenavias.

Jedi has flees as well as many other things... he has flown 210's
My shout has things that eat flees... he has flown 210's
There is no doubt Wiz has flees.. some quarantine have never seen before... he flown 210's
I have these recuring rashes and many 210 hrs:E:E

Not sure where this goin but thought it worth a mention:ok:

Hell, even my Flea's have flea's........... but they all bail when I approach a 210.

Word has it as many as 7 F/O's are pipelining their departure, "Exodus Mach2" (R).(F). will be available in widescreen. Advance screening daily between sunrise and sunset till the end of July, August or maybe it's September..on the corner of Valentine Rd.

Story is about a bunch of guys who thought flying metro's, braz's and dash's would be a rewarding career move, much to their dismay :ugh: they realise it isn't so. An accident becomes increasingly immenant so like their RFDS counterpart one by one they decide to abandon ship. Their final steps along "Breezeway Av" are deceptively captured for inclusion in next months CRM course which has a slight twist, namely a hidden agenda revealing the company's newly adopted crewing policy - First Officers or F/O's as they're commonly refered to are wait for it......so to become Flight Options. An investigator heading a special task force op " Y haven't CASA shut them down yet" stumbles across an unlikely lead whilst shopping on Ebay one evening. Further investigation reveals an increase in production/supply of Skippers Special edition blow up dolls which come complete with 2 bars and coffee holder. More and more it's apparent things are very grim.

A must see; from begining to end this movie (based on real life events) will have you clutching the edge of your seat, you'll laugh and cry all in the same emotion.

Flyon,

I saw the directors cut of episode one, there was so much chest beating, bleached hair and ass grabbing with so few women in the cast, i can only conclude it is some sort of new age gay porn.

Ok end of another week who left?? :}

Don't you mean who's left? Those that love there job.

More Going
 

Apparently AD now also gone to greener pastures as well. Even flighties are suppossedly going due to similar issues as tech crew.

Spiderbait,

Yeah, was speaking to a crew y'day they said simular; sums it up when a man of AD's stature decides it's time.
Really who can blame the girls for thinking the same, seems they're treated with even less respect.

That aside, Skips has kick started a lot of pilots & F/A's careers, some of whom otherwise may not have had the opportunity - works both ways even though it may seem one sided at 5am on a monday morning.

a kickass bunch of top blokes

KIAR - WTF?


Tick tock tick tock .........................

EMB120ER

Hey maybe they can come work with you at Network? ;)

Guess they ll have to train some more FOs into the left or pay big bucks for the rent a Capt.........they seem to be able to afford that all the time I'm told.

You mean the ones that are staying :E I have been led to believe that not even the offer of command will keep the current crop of F/Os around.

Is Rowan Bachelor still their, he came over from Tamair to be fleet manager on the Metro 23's?

Hi Rusty Car

Sorry not at Network, but have given it some thought lately, also not qualified to fly a braz, just thought that it was a good name!!


Tick tock . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The Skippers Doomsday clock is ticking!!

Rowan lasted about eight months, and that must have been seven years ago.

Rumour has it the TWU are maneuvering to give this operator a bare bum spanking in Court, apparently severals staff over issues with bond / AWA / CA / harrassment in the workplace.

Very nice !!!!!.

Fizzer, thanks for that, sounds like he got out when it Skippers was much better shape.
RIP Skippers.