Continental let us not argue whilst Rome burns ;) how about we add the TWO casuals together SJ and TA and call them ONE Captain. SJ spends most of his time on C441 anyway. Truce.
Shed Dog, yes.....actually TWO different people. FS manager and MFO/CP.
What is ...Would it kill them to pay more and treat their staff better? The increased costs are passed on to the client anyway?

Anyone know what happened with the recent exodus?

Rightyo then
 

Icarus,

Whatever mate. 7 is 7, casual or otherwise. SJ has been spending a lot of time on the Metro recently, for obvious reasons.

Either way, Erin is quite right in that the number of pilots for airframes is not sustainable in the longer term. Skippers aren't the only company encountering this problem, of course...


520.

520
 

Whether it's 7 or 5 or 20 the fact of the matter is that they are in the poo with crew - they will never pay more and try to do more with less and less..... would anyone like to work in ops at the moment - I doubt it.

There is only so far that you can cut to the bone and they are starting to see the white hard stuff through the flesh that is left.

Just because you may be in the left seat of a pencil does not make you an expert by any stretch - stay with them a year or so and then let us know whether you think the sun still shines southward.

Seeing that you are so close to the sun's source there, you would surely know that some of the bigger stuff may not be seeing much 'regular' action soon - and where have all the red cadets gone and why??

:ok: onya wawa

Hey Conti, you left out a few Metro Captains.
You forgot....
WH YA RE SO MA NY PI LO TS LE AV IN GS KI PP and ERS.

Or what about the ones who recently left
BE CA US EM AN AG EM EN TG AV TH EM TH ES HI TS AN DT HE PA YI SP EA NU TS
AN DW HE RE HA VE AL LT HE QA NT AS CA DE TS GO NE?

Sounds like one of the 5, 6 or 7 pencil captains has an XR interview shortly.
So you might as well call it 4, 5, or 6!!!! :}

Hahaha! The plot thickens,
 

Wa wa,

I never claimed to be anything of an expert, mate. All I have done is try and infer some facts with reference to the subject of the slander above. Didn't think that was such a sin, but obviously on Pprune it is!

As I also said,

So don't tell me that I'm proclaiming that the "sun shines southward". The fact that they are in strife is as much of a fact as that of having 7 Metro Captains, at the moment.

And in reference to your last query, I can't shed any light on that, cause I'm not in the know on those things. I would not have any facts to present to you. It seems to be a thing of the past in aviation to block out all the internal politics and just get on with the job.


520.

Fraz
 

For Valdiviano; D fraz is at NJS.

520...
 

and I didn't say you were one either

but then you claim;

when has that ever been the case - what a load of **** - pilots generally will generally fcuk other pilots over - always has, always will.

i wonder how the guys with interviews at xr went/go?

By the way it's wawa not Wa wa.

Wawa,

We all have the right to an opinion, just because yours is not the same as 520's, certainly does not invalidate his/hers.

From what i've read you are the one that decided to get personal Now that really wasn't necessary was it ?.

And to go a step further

Your profile states 737ng based in BN, would that be VB by any chance ?. If that is the case, perhaps some here will scrutinise your right to an opinion, you know, the whole pay endorsement business.

Debating is fine, just don't get personal.

Well said Lefty.:D:D:D:D

Interesting times...
Aircraft being cross hired from other co's due to lack of crews.
Another few captains to leave in the coming month or 2 as well.

That has been happening for quite some time.

All operators in the Skippers size range are having similar problems, having to cancel flights, off load charters, lots of double flight days and the ineviatable losing contracts to bigger aircraft operators ( why is Alliance/Skywest/OZjet doing so well ? ).

It is a fight for survival for these companies, the company that can obtain, train and retain suitably qualified and experienced pilots will win, the ones who do not will not be in the Yellow Pages in 12-18months, it is the way aviation works.

If you do not believe me, compare the 1999 Yellow Pages Aviation section to the 2007's one.

The concept of above award wages, reasonably solid rosters, not pushing the F&D limits and being treated with a little respect wins hands down.

Not all Pilots aspire to the Airlines.

Can anyone confirm? I heard from a little bird today, who heard from a cat, who heard from a rat in the crew room skirting boards that 3 or 4 more pilots have resigned to go the Skywest. Two of those Metro Captains.

Doesn’t that make 5 Capts for 6 planes at best. That means TH EY RF UK ED are left.

This company seems to be a circus among circuses! I can’t believe they pay their Metro and Brasilia Captains less than Skywest pays their F50 First Officers. They should be paying more than F50 Captains just to keep their current pilots.

The mind boggles. Armature hour incorporated!

Its confirmed!

One more metro captain fell off the pay role, now that leaves 3 casual captains and 1 full time!

will be seeing this in the Readersmart this Sunday: For sale: 6 metros twenty threes to go to a good home, be prepard to pay through the roof, you will secure pilots for these planes if you pay them more than what we have, its garenteed!

The Implosion continues!

Wh ofe llof fth ep ayr ol l?

Congrats Snuff Snuff!:D

Interesting times. 3 to 4 years ago pilots were selling their grandmothers to score a job with this operator.

I work with guys and girls with the minimum requirements who are no longer interested in even applying. They seem to be happy to stay put and aim for something better.

Looks like they might have an over supply of pilots if all their conquests are grounded!

Anyone know which mines this will affect?

Talking to one of their konky drivers the other day. They mostly use them to take care of all the adhoc stuff. Sounded like a pretty good gig as far as single pilot stuff goes - apart from the fact it's with SA:cool:

TQ,
Selling Grandmothers ?, apparently Wiz is trying to give his away.

Cont 520,

Over a beer heard apparently more to Skywest and Virgin, who remains from your:
SJ, TA, AL, AS, CC, SL, SM.

10-15K in the pay packet has worked for other organisations in this predicament.

Conti might be too busy studying "supersonic aerodynamics" to answer that.:oh:

LRT, I thought the Wiz would have been too old to have grandparents to give away.

Ha Ha TQ, slip of the keyboard, no need to rub it in.:)

JarJar

Should only be SJ, TA, AL and SL remaining in a month or so.

LHRT, my Nana says your the best she's had and she wouldn't even consider letting me give her away. you spoiled her mate. (you know......like I did with your sister and mum) :E
TQ.....mate, I'm only 26. I just had a hard life.:ok:

A hard life WIZ, I think more like the life of an intersate mack bonnet emblem thinking bout your wear and tear, or should i say wear and torn!!:ok:

Shed Dog Tosser,
 

Piston Broke Again is on the money.


520.

Yeah.onya Vee tail..........you oil painting you. :ok:

Apparently Network have just given their Pilots an unprompted significant pay rise.

Maroomba/NJS apparently already pay better SA, and these companies are not having the same staffing problems, it just defies logic :).

maybe a step sideways is required mate...........literally. :}
Hey, my Nana likes you too. :E

Well Well, Shed dog T, tell US more.

Network rumour isn't true.

vref+10
Aww...don't let the truth get in the way of a good rumour! :)

Sorry Mick. I would have love to have verified it and told you that we were now paid the same as senior QF 744 drivers. Alas....

On another note, apparently they are offering some rather lucrative numbers to people who have other jobs to go to in order to get them to stay. Around a 50% rise. But they are taking the lesser paying jobs because of the better working environment with other operators.

Why does it have to be this way?? The reactiveness of this industry astounds me when a bit of forward thinking would cost less and make companies so much better in the mid term run. Over the long run the companies would recoup their money 20 fold... Sorry, drifted off into la-la land there at the end.

Word is on the street theres a new AWA doing the rounds - 75K for Metro drivers, 95K for Bras. Not before time.

piston broke again:
There is no way this can be true. These companies just do not make this kind of money.

When are you guys going to wake up to the true nature of your own industry?