FRQ - it was pretty obvious what type of calls Equatorial was referring to!

Hmmm. Dunno; like many many pilots I live in a world where I'm constantly juggling phone calls from clients who are looking for the best, quickest or cheapest way to get from place to place. (Ad hoc or regular CHTR.) So when we read about "A few phone calls made today and some yesterday" followed directly by "the competition squeezing them out of the marketplace" it seems pretty obvious (although not accurate in the end) that clients are forcing the doors closed.

I'm not stretching the meaning but all one has to do to defuse a misconception is use a bit of decorum.

FRQ CB

i.e. because

i.e he's referring to calls made from airlines to Skippers Av. pilots

i.e. this last sentence confirms that is referreing to phone calls related to exodus i.e. airlines calling pilots.

who gives a **** really :p

I was going to keep going but as you say:
and I quite agree.

FRQ CB over and out.

Here's what I have found out:

Brasilia fleet is suffering the most, 7 Capt's resigned (3 already left), 1 FO apparently left ages ago, along with a Capt from Metro fleet. For some reason they have only just begun the upgrade process.

With respect to Dash and Metro fleet's there isn't much I could find out, apart from the majority of the crews are looking for greener pastures.

He mentioned that the cabin attendants were almost non exsistant with only 14 :eek: currently working. Their is a new bunch of girls being trained up but it's unlikely they will be checked to line before the trainers who have also resigned actually leave.

It seems Skippers has left everything a little too late this time. :ugh:

It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out.

Cheers Bush for showing FRQ the light.

Thanks Force for the latest updates - certainly gels with what I was told.

Ok FRQ I know you are still reading, I had more than three options, here's one:

4. That FRQ reads this thread from the get go and sees that it's about guys getting jobs and leaving Skippers. Twas your error in assuming you knew what I meant - all you have to do is read page one :ugh:

If you are in the biz of charter quotes, make sure you don't leave a zero of your quotes.

O and stop shooting from the hip - it's unbecoming

Thanks for your incredibly insightful contribution:}. Now with respect to attention to detail I won't leave a zero off of my quotes either.

I tried to bury the hatchet but you want to continue a pissing match.

Perhaps children really should speak only when spoken to.

Nigh nighs,

FRQ CB

PS Wrong, Option Four was not one of your options... however bogus you made it out to be that would have been one of my options (and I do know what this thread is about... in fact speaking of the Exodus it's actually Passover now funnily enough).

Okay this is really getting old. Equitorial, FRQ is sorry. FRQ, you got the last word in so you can stop now. There, now back to the topic please...

Does anyone know how many are leaving from the Dash and Metro fleets?

5 capts JQ , 4 capts VB , 2 FO VB ... more pending.
:}

anybody know of any new ground schools either commenced or about to commence ? if there are new employees commencing work and signing new contracts, existing employees being upgraded or signing new contracts, exactly how are they doing it ? AWA is history and EBA isn't finalized based on AFAP, so whats happening with the EBA ? is it still being negotiated or have they lost the battle to SQ ? seems no one is talking about the most important change to affect the future of all new and existing employees

1 left yesterday and 1 tomorrow :ok:

I am curious as to why with large numbers of captains in particular leaving they are not upgrading FOs that have been there for at least the past 2 years thru the GFC when there was bugger all hiring anywhere going on so everyone was staying where they are????
Surely they must have 1500-1800hrs on type after 2 years and be eager to upgrade.

On their website they are looking for type endorsed DEC only with min 500hrs on type.
So no upgrades for existing staff and no FOs being hired and yet a large number are confirmed to be leaving and more to follow??

Probably a big call upgrading cadets to the left seat of a Braz/Dash!

1500-1800 on type doesn't meet the 500 multi requirement for low cap aoc.

Gaining initial PIC experience with 30 - 50 pax (lives) down the back is not the best idea either.

And herein lies the problem with hiring cadets. I believe that REX are in the same predicament. Whereas when you hire guys with some experience to start with they can then upgrade to command after a 2 year period as they by now have 3000-4000 total and will normally have the desired 500 ME command. A cadet who has been the same company for the same period of time only has half that experience and wouldn't have 500 multi command. Whilst hiring cadets is not all bad I certainly wouldn't want to be running a company where basically all my FO were cadets as that leaves the company very exposed if you lost many captains in a short period of time......but of course the managers of all these outfits have everything under control I'm sure.

They were taking QF cadets a few years ago and they had some sort of fast track zero to hero program

The zero to hero love that one :ok: ,still has a bit of life left in it. One or two sad cases who still think it's a great way to get into a shiny turbo prop.

I don't believe that they have had cadets for a couple of years now, atleast they were all gone when I finished up.
As for why arent they upgrading, Is that an assumption made from their advertisment, just because they are advertising for Captains doesnt mean that they arent upgrading........ unless I am wrong.

It also does not mean that they will only hire captains with time on type, it's becoming a drying field again and I think quite quickly:ok:

From what I understand Skippers are upgrading cadets to command positions. They can do this because a majority of their flights are charter not RPT and therefore don't require an ATPL or 500 ME command. This does however limit those pilots to the charter flights only though.

I know for a fact that the Jetflite cadet programme used to provide cadets to Skippers and I think it it was either 2006 or 2007 they stopped. I assume this was to take on the fast track cadets intead?

YPJT, a cadetship is certainly one of the quickest ways to get on a turbo prop and I would imagine that most of them would be basing their training on multi-crew turbo prop flying. I certainly wouldn't think it would be a bad way to get in.