Meeting Virgin Blue Minimums
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do you know the qualifications/flying times/experience of those guys that got the nod, and the one who didnt?
Might give us all some hope, or depression as the case may be
Cheers
JetRacer
do you know the qualifications/flying times/experience of those guys that got the nod, and the one who didnt?
Might give us all some hope, or depression as the case may be
Cheers
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"Go to pubs......Go to the Hammo Hotel".
Wow, what a top class act VB's recruitment process is.
Basically he who can suck the hardest gets the nod.
JR must be loving it. "Its good to be the king".
Woof!!!!!!!
Wow, what a top class act VB's recruitment process is.
Basically he who can suck the hardest gets the nod.
JR must be loving it. "Its good to be the king".
Woof!!!!!!!
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stupid, who said they needed experienced jet drivers
If you read my post all the way through it says, a broad range of pilots are getting interviews. Jet pilots are still getting jobs.
If you read my post all the way through it says, a broad range of pilots are getting interviews. Jet pilots are still getting jobs.
Jet pilots are getting jobs and being told to expect commands inside of six months!
Virgin expansion will be at a phenomanal pace over the next few years. There is little risk of a third airline, more domestic share to be taken from QF, international expansion and a possible sweetner deal done by the governments of Aus & NZ to facilitate a QF/AirNZ tie up.
The last will be amusing for some, heartbreaking for others. John Anderson has alluded to certain protection to be again afforded to QF, in the form of a neccessary tie up at the expense of consumer interest, but in the national (QF) interest!
Will Corrigan be handed Freedom Air? Probably, as the expansion of Virgin Blue will be so great, I doubt their ability to cope.
I think Virgin Blue would be foolish not to take as many of the experienced jet pilots as it can, of course meeting their criteria, as a balance of experience critical as they double in size and then some!
Good luck with the EBA.
Virgin expansion will be at a phenomanal pace over the next few years. There is little risk of a third airline, more domestic share to be taken from QF, international expansion and a possible sweetner deal done by the governments of Aus & NZ to facilitate a QF/AirNZ tie up.
The last will be amusing for some, heartbreaking for others. John Anderson has alluded to certain protection to be again afforded to QF, in the form of a neccessary tie up at the expense of consumer interest, but in the national (QF) interest!
Will Corrigan be handed Freedom Air? Probably, as the expansion of Virgin Blue will be so great, I doubt their ability to cope.
I think Virgin Blue would be foolish not to take as many of the experienced jet pilots as it can, of course meeting their criteria, as a balance of experience critical as they double in size and then some!
Good luck with the EBA.
I think Virgin Blue would be foolish not to take as many of the experienced jet pilots as it can, of course meeting their criteria, as a balance of experience critical as they double in size and then some!
So here I am, come & get me!
So here I am, come & get me!
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I would like to add to others who have posted that they are unable to get any joy from VB, that the recruitment must be a joke. I know of a few very experienced B737 and B767 captains, who were not involved in 89, who get nothing other than an automated response to their applications despite months/years of interest. In the meantime jet pilots (by that statement-not necessarily captains) are being told to expect commands in six months!!!. That doesn't even happen in north asia where commands are given out with frighteningly low experience. It is interesting to note that the last few direct entry captains hired were involved in 89. Guess which side. I wonder if Wooly-Pully knows nepotism is alive and well in his Blue baby.
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Virgin are approaching Impulse Captains who HAVEN'T EVEN APPLIED offering them direct entry commands. All the while ignoring non-scab Ansett Captains and F/Os who HAVE applied. Figure that one out.
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"I would like to add to others who have posted that they are unable to get any joy from VB, that the recruitment must be a joke. I know of a few very experienced B737 and B767 captains, who were not involved in 89, who get nothing other than an automated response to their applications despite months/years of interest."
Qantas are also heavily recruiting and require experienced pilots along with a mix of not so experienced. They also take piston, turbine pilots and not all jet endorsed pilots.
Or did we all just forget about that?
Qantas are also heavily recruiting and require experienced pilots along with a mix of not so experienced. They also take piston, turbine pilots and not all jet endorsed pilots.
Or did we all just forget about that?
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B.B why should VB feel compelled to hire all the Ansett pilots? If they hired all of these guys we would BECOME Ansett, and management dont want that. They want to have a culture of their own. As for approaching Impulse captains, well thats a new one.
Shagtastic, Yes you still need to be 737 endorsed for the job and No they do not repay you over 3 years. A retention bonus is paid every 2 years(25k) and you can make of that what you will but basically its just part of the salary.
Shagtastic, Yes you still need to be 737 endorsed for the job and No they do not repay you over 3 years. A retention bonus is paid every 2 years(25k) and you can make of that what you will but basically its just part of the salary.
Eisle s
Didn't see anywhere in BB's post where he stated VB should be compelled to hire ex-Ansett drivers.
Your posts have mellowed over the last year, I always thought you an 89er in your response to anything Ansett. Now I suspect other reasons.
VB will double and some, very quickly. There is an experience issue from all accounts, otherwise how would you explain the quick commands for some( jet experienced ) and slower progression ( piston ) for others. This will be accentuated by Virgin's continued expansion.
You don't have to worry, of the eligible exAN pilots, probably about 50 or so serious aspirants for Virgin ( two recently very politely declined interviews with VB as they had offers abroad ). Of these 50 most will go elsewhere before the opportunity arises, thereby preserving your culture!
Didn't see anywhere in BB's post where he stated VB should be compelled to hire ex-Ansett drivers.
Your posts have mellowed over the last year, I always thought you an 89er in your response to anything Ansett. Now I suspect other reasons.
VB will double and some, very quickly. There is an experience issue from all accounts, otherwise how would you explain the quick commands for some( jet experienced ) and slower progression ( piston ) for others. This will be accentuated by Virgin's continued expansion.
You don't have to worry, of the eligible exAN pilots, probably about 50 or so serious aspirants for Virgin ( two recently very politely declined interviews with VB as they had offers abroad ). Of these 50 most will go elsewhere before the opportunity arises, thereby preserving your culture!
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Betedete, you miss the point. Granted QF is hiring but I am sure they are not telling candidates that they can expect a command in six months. I would bet money that they do not even discuss how long it takes to command.
I'll say it another way if you wish. Why is VB ignoring many experienced Boeing captains and at the same time acknowledging they have an experience issue by upgrading at a ferocious rate? The guys they are ignoring are not scabs nor are they 89 combatants. On the other hand if they were the latter a job is assured.
I'll say it another way if you wish. Why is VB ignoring many experienced Boeing captains and at the same time acknowledging they have an experience issue by upgrading at a ferocious rate? The guys they are ignoring are not scabs nor are they 89 combatants. On the other hand if they were the latter a job is assured.
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professional retention supplement
shagtastic et al,
The agreement dated 2000 (available at www.osiris.gov.au and type in "virgin blue pilots") provided for a deferred professional retention supplement to be paid in June 2002, amounting to $25K for captains, pro rata for FO's.
This amount was to "recognise the need for ongoing training requirements associated with licence renewal".
So I suppose that it does not specifically repay the cost of the rating, but just by coincidence happens to be the amount bandied about as the cost of a type rating and has the same effect
Judging from the previous posts I presume that the new agreement retains something similar?
regards: bored pilot stuck in a desk job.
The agreement dated 2000 (available at www.osiris.gov.au and type in "virgin blue pilots") provided for a deferred professional retention supplement to be paid in June 2002, amounting to $25K for captains, pro rata for FO's.
This amount was to "recognise the need for ongoing training requirements associated with licence renewal".
So I suppose that it does not specifically repay the cost of the rating, but just by coincidence happens to be the amount bandied about as the cost of a type rating and has the same effect
Judging from the previous posts I presume that the new agreement retains something similar?
regards: bored pilot stuck in a desk job.
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Well "Mr Urge" its like this, if you want total loyaly and not be deposed...you hire and promote people who are totally out of their station, have a small band of like minded stalwarts around you for protection, as for the rest just promote them, and they will follow without question...the ex AN Capt's. would be able to see the wood for the trees, this would be a total threat to the the power structure...its all done by smoke and mirrors...