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Moderate, Modest & Mild.
What I am trying to point out is your plight is welcome by many Ppruners and alluding to difficulties over prejudice will only fuel this joy.
For sure there was an "element" within Ansett that would hopefully find employment outside aviation, having earned sufficient in the years up to Sept 2001.
For the others - what can anyone tell you that you don't already know? Those of you who have done it honestly are aware of HOW hard it was to "get there", and as Gnadenburg has rightly said, "you have to make the trip again.
That is the truth, plain and simple!
Some captains will have to take a rhs again - others will make meteoric leaps.
Just about all F/O's, regardless of how "experienced" you are, are going to have to face the fact that you will be a "junior" F/O in your new company, and your clock has been re-started. I was nearly 16 years in the rhs before I finally got the opportunity to move across.
As a crusty old ex-Ansett with SQ told me, "A First Officer's job is an honorable one!", when we were told there that to qualify for the lhs we would have to re-join on local terms (most of us were then on expat conditions) for a FURTHER 5 years (in addition to the 5 we had already done.....and the 11 with Ansett prior to that) before being considered eligible to commence upgrade training!
At that time, most of us (F/O's) thought that we would NEVER see a command - most did, by sticking it out.The jobs are there. Two pilots in the company for which I work have had (very good) job offers within the past 2 weeks, which is pretty amazing when you consider the hundreds on the market!
Forget about the "we did it this way in Ansett" with your new employer. Each operator has THEIR way of doing things - as awkward or as inefficient as it may seem to you.
JUST DO IT
Kapt M
I will conveniently use New Zealand to argue my disputed point.
How many Air NZ pilots offered sympathies to ex AN pilots on these pages post collapse?
What about clowns like Top End? He and other Kiwis thought the situation a big joke.
Jokes about pilot suicides?
My advice to Rambo stands. Bleating will only worsen the plight.
I will conveniently use New Zealand to argue my disputed point.
How many Air NZ pilots offered sympathies to ex AN pilots on these pages post collapse?
What about clowns like Top End? He and other Kiwis thought the situation a big joke.
Jokes about pilot suicides?
My advice to Rambo stands. Bleating will only worsen the plight.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Give us a break, Gnadenburg,
How many Ansett Australia pilots offered sympathies to the Ansett N.Z. pilots when theirs' turned into a basket case?
How many pilots (full stop) offered sympathy to the CX 49'ers?
Most here are ADULTS - sympathy goes nowhere in funding a replacement job, or paying the continuing bills.
"Poor ******s" is probably about the best you should expect.
Who knows WHO Top End is? He might be a 10 year old out for a juvenile romp on the keyboards.
Pilot suicides - yes.....and other staff as well.
That (suicide) however, is a PERSONAL (but often selfish) self-administered decision.
Many people live on a daily basis with torments and grievances, but realise that suicide would only place an even GREATER burden on those left behind - I guess the exception being a terminal illness.
By the same token, "bleating" as you put it, doesn't curry much favour with Aussies, but it helps to draw everyones' attention to matters that generally may NEED highlighting from time to time.
You, Gnadenburg have your opinion - Ramboflyer his.
And that, my friend, is what PPRuNe is ALL about.
How many Air NZ pilots offered sympathies to ex AN pilots on these pages post collapse?
How many pilots (full stop) offered sympathy to the CX 49'ers?
Most here are ADULTS - sympathy goes nowhere in funding a replacement job, or paying the continuing bills.
"Poor ******s" is probably about the best you should expect.
Who knows WHO Top End is? He might be a 10 year old out for a juvenile romp on the keyboards.
Pilot suicides - yes.....and other staff as well.
That (suicide) however, is a PERSONAL (but often selfish) self-administered decision.
Many people live on a daily basis with torments and grievances, but realise that suicide would only place an even GREATER burden on those left behind - I guess the exception being a terminal illness.
By the same token, "bleating" as you put it, doesn't curry much favour with Aussies, but it helps to draw everyones' attention to matters that generally may NEED highlighting from time to time.
You, Gnadenburg have your opinion - Ramboflyer his.
And that, my friend, is what PPRuNe is ALL about.
