Qantas SH EBA negotiations
If you genuinely think that a 40% payrise is achievable then that really is funny stuff. Delusional…..but still funny. We are all just employees. Nothing more nothing less. Nobody else is getting a 40% rise so why should we ? Time to be realistic and stop with the day dreaming. It’s just how it is. Same old situation EBA after EBA.
so what, should we ask for 8% while being told we’re getting a pay freeze.
play their stupid games back and start at 40. Give reasons (Covid, previous pay freezes, inflation, boards greed etc). Why them and not us?
We’re stupid if we don’t go hard now. Claw back years of manipulation. Why not?
are you that short sighted?
play their stupid games back and start at 40. Give reasons (Covid, previous pay freezes, inflation, boards greed etc). Why them and not us?
We’re stupid if we don’t go hard now. Claw back years of manipulation. Why not?
are you that short sighted?
I’m after 40% after 15years of going backwards and being manipulated by management.
also the lack of recognition of being stood down for years should be addressed.
MDC like LH and full paxing credits are a must.
Staff travel has become a disgrace also. We need a yearly confirmed business for family.
we spend most of our lives away from our family, would be nice to take them on a yearly trip to make up for the time away.
If not I’ll be hoping for PIA.
enough is enough. No more being dictated to by bean counters and MBA morons.
also the lack of recognition of being stood down for years should be addressed.
MDC like LH and full paxing credits are a must.
Staff travel has become a disgrace also. We need a yearly confirmed business for family.
we spend most of our lives away from our family, would be nice to take them on a yearly trip to make up for the time away.
If not I’ll be hoping for PIA.
enough is enough. No more being dictated to by bean counters and MBA morons.
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Agree that full credits for paxing would be simpler. Would need to see some samples of how this will look overall. DPC60 also fixes the sitting around somewhere on a weekend for 2.5 hrs on a transit not getting paid. Again would need to see some numbers but it has to be an improvement. It may be enough on its own to fix both of these issues.
The negotiating team would have more info on how this would look I guess if you approach one of them.
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Not sure, but I suspect the rumoured DPC60 will go a long way to fixing this problem.
Agree that full credits for paxing would be simpler. Would need to see some samples of how this will look overall. DPC60 also fixes the sitting around somewhere on a weekend for 2.5 hrs on a transit not getting paid. Again would need to see some numbers but it has to be an improvement. It may be enough on its own to fix both of these issues.
The negotiating team would have more info on how this would look I guess if you approach one of them.
Agree that full credits for paxing would be simpler. Would need to see some samples of how this will look overall. DPC60 also fixes the sitting around somewhere on a weekend for 2.5 hrs on a transit not getting paid. Again would need to see some numbers but it has to be an improvement. It may be enough on its own to fix both of these issues.
The negotiating team would have more info on how this would look I guess if you approach one of them.
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I get it. It’s crap. It’s been one of my gripes for years.
I don’t know how the numbers work but I’m just saying that a 60% duty credit MAY (not will, may) be enough to fix both the paxing issue and the not getting paid on a transit issue.
AIPA is hopefully running the numbers to see how it works out.
Back of the envelope, a pax SYD-MEL to operate the return with a 1 hr transit is worth 2.85 hrs as opposed to the current 2.13. That’s close enough to the 3 hours to operate both ways it shouldn’t cause too much angst.
I don’t know how the numbers work but I’m just saying that a 60% duty credit MAY (not will, may) be enough to fix both the paxing issue and the not getting paid on a transit issue.
AIPA is hopefully running the numbers to see how it works out.
Back of the envelope, a pax SYD-MEL to operate the return with a 1 hr transit is worth 2.85 hrs as opposed to the current 2.13. That’s close enough to the 3 hours to operate both ways it shouldn’t cause too much angst.
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Unfortunately this is the new world we live in and it’s not confined to aviation.
In 2010 the papers had articles about US Airline pilots earning very low salaries and qualifying for food stamps. In 2023 the same papers were reporting on large sign on bonuses and 50% pay hikes.
Sometimes things change.
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I’d suggest when the deal comes out that every SH pilot apply the fixes to their last 6 rosters and see what the effect would be.
plus, if things that were free or low cost, will now cost more, then expect them to change the way they utilise R and AVto minimise cost. Boom. There goes the ‘payrise’
plus, if things that were free or low cost, will now cost more, then expect them to change the way they utilise R and AVto minimise cost. Boom. There goes the ‘payrise’
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Is there any chance of even just asking for the wage freeze back? We took 3% to help out while things were in the red, now they’re not.
Even if it was pencil whipped for the frozen years pay so they can’t cry inflation or something, imagine how much good faith that would show.
Imagine how appreciated everyone would feel.
Imagine how good of a PR story it would be.
Even if it was pencil whipped for the frozen years pay so they can’t cry inflation or something, imagine how much good faith that would show.
Imagine how appreciated everyone would feel.
Imagine how good of a PR story it would be.
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Sound like great pilots to work with. Bet they shout the coffee too.
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Is there any chance of even just asking for the wage freeze back? We took 3% to help out while things were in the red, now they’re not.
Even if it was pencil whipped for the frozen years pay so they can’t cry inflation or something, imagine how much good faith that would show.
Imagine how appreciated everyone would feel.
Imagine how good of a PR story it would be.
Even if it was pencil whipped for the frozen years pay so they can’t cry inflation or something, imagine how much good faith that would show.
Imagine how appreciated everyone would feel.
Imagine how good of a PR story it would be.
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AFAP fees can now finally be taken from payroll. Refreshing to see negotiators won’t sign NDAs. Also given guarantees they won’t join management within 5 years, or take training roles within 3.
AIPA could learn a lot from these guys/girls. Open frank negotiation on members behalf. No secret deals and games. They LISTEN to their membership for direction. Network are showing us the way (hopefully).
Latest news letter is refreshing as always. Real data and no BS. A hint at what we can expect and aim for.
Well done to these volunteers.
AIPA could learn a lot from these guys/girls. Open frank negotiation on members behalf. No secret deals and games. They LISTEN to their membership for direction. Network are showing us the way (hopefully).
Latest news letter is refreshing as always. Real data and no BS. A hint at what we can expect and aim for.
Well done to these volunteers.
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AFAP fees can now finally be taken from payroll. Refreshing to see negotiators won’t sign NDAs. Also given guarantees they won’t join management within 5 years, or take training roles within 3.
AIPA could learn a lot from these guys/girls. Open frank negotiation on members behalf. No secret deals and games. They LISTEN to their membership for direction. Network are showing us the way (hopefully).
Latest news letter is refreshing as always. Real data and no BS. A hint at what we can expect and aim for.
Well done to these volunteers.
AIPA could learn a lot from these guys/girls. Open frank negotiation on members behalf. No secret deals and games. They LISTEN to their membership for direction. Network are showing us the way (hopefully).
Latest news letter is refreshing as always. Real data and no BS. A hint at what we can expect and aim for.
Well done to these volunteers.
Talk about setting the bar low.
But I do agree, much better correspondence than the secretive AIPA who seem to be doing nothing.
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Don't forget transition_alt the rest of the pay rises over the life of the deal from the AFAP's log of claims from their website:
2. Remuneration - Higher base salary / guaranteed earnings
Our claim for salary includes:
2. Remuneration - Higher base salary / guaranteed earnings
Our claim for salary includes:
- An immediate 8.36% increase to make up for the 2022, 2023 shortfall when compared to CPI.
- An Additional 5% pay increase in line with industry movements.
- Increases over the life of agreement in line with forecast CPI of:
- 2024: 4%
- 2025: 4%
- 2026: 3%
- 2027: 3%