Qantas SH EBA negotiations
 

G’day all!

what’s everyone’s thoughts on where negotiations are at?

I understand not a lot of info is forthcoming from AIPA. Just generalisations for the time being until an AIP is formalised.

what do line pilots want to see this time around?

personally I’d love to see some better roster protections concerning paxing credits. Maybe a min daily rate like LH. Also a formalised RIN to protect pilots when 737 is eventually gone.

DT

Did you not attend any of the AIPA meets in the last month?

A lot of information was given. It’s put my mind at ease despite the official quietness so far via official comms.

Not the time nor the place. Call AIPA if you are genuine.

I’m after 40% after 15years of going backwards and being manipulated by management.
also the lack of recognition of being stood down for years should be addressed.
MDC like LH and full paxing credits are a must.
Staff travel has become a disgrace also. We need a yearly confirmed business for family.
we spend most of our lives away from our family, would be nice to take them on a yearly trip to make up for the time away.
If not I’ll be hoping for PIA.
enough is enough. No more being dictated to by bean counters and MBA morons.

That is funny

I reckon the Qantas SH EBA negotiations will be a lot of things, but funny won't be one of them.

great. Another MBA muppet with nothing to offer the world but an opinion.
bye bye

and why not 40% exactly? Multiple years of pay freezes to help the company. Management all then turn around and give themselves massive rises after not doing their jobs.
Trash the place and still take a record package.
why not 40? That would literally catch us up to where we were 15 years ago.
plenty of airlines paid pilots huge bonuses once stood back up. Some over 8 months pay.
not a $500 useless voucher (slap in the face)

LOL Base pay for an F/O should be 300k. And 550k if Based in Sydney or Melbourne and around 950k for Captain... thats a realistic figure.

Ignore the trolls or this one will be shut down too.

As I posted in the NAA thread, we are hundreds of thousands short of where we should be based on the amount pilots were paid in the late 80’s and adjusted for inflation. I wouldn’t consider the war to be over until Captains are on well North of $500,000 with lifestyle protections enshrined in the agreement. Plus a ‘thank you for sticking with us’ bonus similar to that which we’ve seen from overseas operators, something like 9 months pay.

Not sure if you are referring to me as being a troll. I may sound like a troll with my Absurd rhetoric. But I am no troll, everything I have mentioned is what I believe. It may sound insane the figures I put out there. But we live in absurd times where the political and corporate elite think it is reasonable to erode all of our living standards while they continually get larger and larger salaries and tax breaks. I am a pro capitalist but what is unfolding is not capitalism. I am no troll, absurd times require absurd responses. We are all in this situation, because no one has the balls beside a select few like myself who stick our necks out. And if things don't change for the better, you will all know who I am within the next decade when 2 airline pilots decide to start a political party. With current inflation and housing costs, 950k to 1m for a 737 capt is not unreasonable for a pilot living in Sydney. What is unreasonable is what the political and corporate elite have unleashed on the middle class and the poor. I will not be standing for it much longer and neither should anyone else. I am no troll.

You're not a troll, I definitely wasn’t referring to you. We are very much aligned, I don’t want the ‘same old’ corporate BS either, if you get my drift 😉.

Haha for a mill I'll do the reserves for zip like now


But remember boys and girls: pay for reserve IS NOT A PAY RISE

It’s not funny. It’s hilarious.

Hahaha

We are not in America.

These wizards will be tripping over themselves to sign off on a one off 5k pre tax payment, and the prospect of a shiny 321.

Well, well, here we go again. No spine, no scope, no reserve pay, no protection, a 20 year upgrade, and another 5 years hearing them whine about the group pilots they were complicit in creating.

Wait until they throw the “an opportunity to operate future tranches of A220s”… blokes will be running to vote yes!

They would be wise to have a quick chat to the guys who took the ‘opportunity’ to operate the A220. Some are opting to stay in the 717 until it is fully phased out as the EA is appalling and the aircraft isn’t that crash hot either.

To answer the OP……money. in the pocket. Sure, fix up the things that need to be fixed, theyre on top of the money. No money, no deal. I wont listen to someone trying to sell me a payrise under pay for reserve, av callouts etc. its hourly rate. Compounding, money. If you’re not going to give money, then ll take more time off. For the same money. More X days guaranteed.

try tell me you can’t afford it after the boards payrise and share buybacks. I think youll find theres appetite for a fight if need be. Based on what’s out there so far, while appreciative of the negotiating teams work, it’s nowhere near acceptable. Add money, and it’s getting there.

I do understand AIPA have been hamstrung in terms of the legislative environment they have negotiated under in previous years but I think this is a deciding year for myself and others if we can’t even manage to attain a pay rise which keeps up with inflation.

- $400 million in share buybacks
- the board scoring 5-8% payrises, executive bonuses out the nose along with gifting Alan Joyce $125 million over his stint with a $24 million parting gift in a year we couldn’t even manage to dispatch half the 737 fleet with less than 40 MEL’s and hold items, we’re leasing widebodies to keep our patchwork ‘LH operation’ on the road and his decisions have left QF facing millions in fines and lost revenue for the 1700 ground staff.
- Most techies have lost over 6 figures worth of income during COVID and some of our new joiners suffered even worse to be met by a barely liveable B scale

Roster protections are the cream but if there is no inflationary pay increases over the 4 years it’ll be a flat out no - the words ‘wage policy’ shouldn’t be allowed to leave the mouth of any company negotiator without the above thrown straight back in their face.

It’s not often QF SH, LH, Virgin and even the team at Airservices are negotiating at a similar time with the leverage we’re offered today - perhaps it’s time the industry says enough so we can leave the industry better than we found it for those behind us.

If you genuinely think that a 40% payrise is achievable then that really is funny stuff. Delusional…..but still funny. We are all just employees. Nothing more nothing less. Nobody else is getting a 40% rise so why should we ? Time to be realistic and stop with the day dreaming. It’s just how it is. Same old situation EBA after EBA.

so what, should we ask for 8% while being told we’re getting a pay freeze.
play their stupid games back and start at 40. Give reasons (Covid, previous pay freezes, inflation, boards greed etc). Why them and not us?
We’re stupid if we don’t go hard now. Claw back years of manipulation. Why not?
are you that short sighted?