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Old 28th Apr 2024, 10:15
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Originally Posted by Fonz121
If that’s all they were able to negotiate, then yes.
So you believe the 5,000+ people that have accepted a 2 year wage freeze were no good at negotiating? Remembering that AIPA and AFAP were involved in some of those negotiations?

Your base/hourly rate will remain at 2024 levels for 2025 and 2026. This is your companies wage policy.
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Old 28th Apr 2024, 10:37
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My biggest desire with the upcoming EBA is to break the wages policy. I’m voting no to everything if it includes Alan’s arbitrary policy and am looking forward to the fight.
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Old 28th Apr 2024, 10:50
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Nailed it
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My biggest desire with the upcoming EBA is to break the wages policy. I’m voting no to everything if it includes Alan’s arbitrary policy and am looking forward to the fight.
Nothing would make me happier but the pilots won’t do it on their own it will IMO take the combined effort of all Qantas unions acting together to change it.
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I wouldn’t be so sure, by the time short haul gets to PIA, long haul won’t be far behind. If all of mainline is suddenly refusing to fly jets with MEL’s, or is under strike action you watch how fast the wages policy gets thrashed by Fair Work. There won’t be any grounding the airline permitted this time, not with the profits being made, rate of inflation and the companies industrial reputation.
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Old 28th Apr 2024, 11:31
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
So you believe the 5,000+ people that have accepted a 2 year wage freeze were no good at negotiating? Remembering that AIPA and AFAP were involved in some of those negotiations?

Your base/hourly rate will remain at 2024 levels for 2025 and 2026. This is your companies wage policy.
My ass it will, anything less than 5/5/5/5 plus a sizeable percentage increase to even begin with, is an absolute no from the majority I would say.

They can shove their wage policy when the executives and the board don’t comply with it as well. Why should I take a drop in my pay when they’re making record profits.
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If all Pilots strike then QF are Farked! Watch them change their "policy" quick smart!
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If all Pilots strike then QF are Farked! Watch them change their "policy" quick smart!
it’s coming…I can’t wait. I hope they take us on.
bring it.
BRING IT
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Old 28th Apr 2024, 13:05
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Sunstate, Eastern and NJS Pilots have all accepted a 2 year pay freeze. But Qantas SH Pilots won’t… should be interesting.

All these entities have been told that if any other entity gets a deal outside of the ‘wage policy’ then they also get the same deal.

SH Pilots will literally have every QF entity supporting them as it directly affects their own wage… QF IR screwed that up didn’t they!

I wouldn’t be surprised to see QF start offering certain entities a pay bump with conditions attached eg: “you get $XXX pay increase however you now relinquish any ‘wage policy’ connections with other entities”.
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You’ll get 0%, 0%, 3%, 3% otherwise every other entity that has negotiated an agreement since implementation of the ‘wage policy’ gets a 6% pay rise.

Do you think you’re better then all these other businesses?
I bet the Cuck chair in your bedroom is still warm
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Old 28th Apr 2024, 20:17
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All these entities have been told that if any other entity gets a deal outside of the ‘wage policy’ then they also get the same
I’ve had a cursory glance at a few of the EBAs in question but I’m yet to see any reference to this.

Other than that….. there are many ways to get the job done…. The pay rises will be hidden where required.
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Old 28th Apr 2024, 20:54
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Does anyone know why AIPA has a CEO now? What does she actually do? Did the members endorse the creation of this role?
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Does anyone know why AIPA has a CEO now? What does she actually do? Did the members endorse the creation of this role?
And.....what is her salary?
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Old 28th Apr 2024, 22:53
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Originally Posted by Brakerider
Does anyone know why AIPA has a CEO now? What does she actually do? Did the members endorse the creation of this role?
AIPA has been open about the role and reasons. The members endorsed the creation of the role when they elected a committee of selfless, motivated, altruistic volunteers, from among their peers, to democratically represent them. Why do some feel the need to be consulted almost daily about their representation. I say let the reps get on with it.
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Old 28th Apr 2024, 23:22
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I’ve had a cursory glance at a few of the EBAs in question but I’m yet to see any reference to this.
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Some of the subsidiaries have it agreed in a side letter, which is just as legally binding as an EBA clause.
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Old 29th Apr 2024, 00:43
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Originally Posted by A320 Flyer

Other than that….. there are many ways to get the job done…. The pay rises will be hidden where required.
It only works if the hidden payrises have the same compounding effect coupled with super.
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Old 29th Apr 2024, 00:48
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Why should I take a drop in my pay when they’re making record profits
Because you’re a bunch of suckers that will sign anything for a quick cash bonus.

​​​​​​​by the time short haul gets to PIA, long haul won’t be far behind
Management must be quaking in their boots at the thought of you rolling out the red tie brigade.

​​​​​​​Why do some feel the need to be consulted almost daily about their representation
Greed, trust, modern history?
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Old 29th Apr 2024, 01:32
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Some of the subsidiaries have it agreed in a side letter, which is just as legally binding as an EBA clause.
Side letter….. as legally binding…… I’m not sure about that.
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Old 29th Apr 2024, 02:01
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Originally Posted by A320 Flyer
Side letter….. as legally binding…… I’m not sure about that.
If a letter or Q&A are issued to a group attached to the same email as the voting link it is legally binding.

People vote based on these Q&A documents. I suppose you could argue you were misled to believe something thus potentially invalidating the vote.

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Originally Posted by A320 Flyer
Side letter….. as legally binding…… I’m not sure about that.
It may not be enforceable under the FWA, but it most certainly is legally binding and could be easily tried in a civil court case (in lieu of the FWC).
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