Alliance, Bonza or REX
None of them.
Alliance - look at the rate they’re losing E190 crew. They can’t keep any staff, pilots or otherwise. You have to ask yourself why. Also, as a QF subsidiary, you’re putting the final nail in the coffin of any aspirations to mainline. There’s subsidiary pilots who have been on the hold file for 6+ years with no end in sight. You’re ending your mainline career chances by joining any subsidiary.
Bonza - If you like zero job security, go for it. They’re mixing up their routes already trying to find something profitable. I’m not familiar, do you pay for the endorsement and then they pay it back to you by a return of service? What happens to your out of pocket costs when they go tits up?
Rex - They just made a $45m loss in a period of unprecedented travel demand on the back of bargain basement leasing costs. A third of their turboprops are parked up due to lack of parts and crew. You do the math! You’ll work your guts out only to receive communique from the owner than you’re ”spitting in my face”, and “if it’s too hot in the kitchen, then get out!” You know they make their cadet pilots mow lawns, weed the gardens and write “solemn vows” right?
My opinion - wait for mainline to open again next month. They have huge hiring requirements next few years. You can walk straight into a short haul FO slot if you desire, and you’ll earn significantly more as a shorthaul FO than you will with a command at any of the three airlines above.
Play the long, smart game and ignore your shiny jet syndrome.
Alliance - look at the rate they’re losing E190 crew. They can’t keep any staff, pilots or otherwise. You have to ask yourself why. Also, as a QF subsidiary, you’re putting the final nail in the coffin of any aspirations to mainline. There’s subsidiary pilots who have been on the hold file for 6+ years with no end in sight. You’re ending your mainline career chances by joining any subsidiary.
Bonza - If you like zero job security, go for it. They’re mixing up their routes already trying to find something profitable. I’m not familiar, do you pay for the endorsement and then they pay it back to you by a return of service? What happens to your out of pocket costs when they go tits up?
Rex - They just made a $45m loss in a period of unprecedented travel demand on the back of bargain basement leasing costs. A third of their turboprops are parked up due to lack of parts and crew. You do the math! You’ll work your guts out only to receive communique from the owner than you’re ”spitting in my face”, and “if it’s too hot in the kitchen, then get out!” You know they make their cadet pilots mow lawns, weed the gardens and write “solemn vows” right?
My opinion - wait for mainline to open again next month. They have huge hiring requirements next few years. You can walk straight into a short haul FO slot if you desire, and you’ll earn significantly more as a shorthaul FO than you will with a command at any of the three airlines above.
Play the long, smart game and ignore your shiny jet syndrome.
If he/she was getting mainline next few years - any 3 will be a better pay/experience than a small turbo prop in any other company.
Alliance - look at the rate they’re losing E190 crew. They can’t keep any staff, pilots or otherwise. You have to ask yourself why. Also, as a QF subsidiary, you’re putting the final nail in the coffin of any aspirations to mainline.
I have heard that crew are leaving QF group to go to Alliance VA or the states. Says a lot about the Australian dream job! However on the dumb and lazy side does anyone have the Alliance EBA, I can't seem to find it online 
‘Doesn’t look hard to find https://www.fwc.gov.au/document-sear...ment-relevance
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There are two things to look for if you want a quick upgrade, an expanding company with pilot turnover will get you into the left seat a lot quicker than a mature legacy airline where everyone stays until they retire.
Alliance is more established and you prefer their base, however the type rating is less useful than the other two.
Bonza would be a bit of a gamble as a new start up but if it works out you could be right place at the right time, similar to the pilots who joined Virgin back in the early 2000s got a quick upgrade and are now B737 Captains living in Brisbane.
REX is more established and should be a bit more stable and if you weren’t planning on staying long term would be okay for a few years to build up the hours.
You’re lucky to have three job offers, back in the 1990s you were lucky to get one and had to grab what ever was going. At the end of the day it’s a lotto as to which will have the best outcome. I went overseas in the early 2000s and had three possible employers at the time, I simply took the first one that offered me a job. Luckily it was the right choice as they were taken over by a major airline and I’m much better off than I would have been with either of the others.
Alliance is more established and you prefer their base, however the type rating is less useful than the other two.
Bonza would be a bit of a gamble as a new start up but if it works out you could be right place at the right time, similar to the pilots who joined Virgin back in the early 2000s got a quick upgrade and are now B737 Captains living in Brisbane.
REX is more established and should be a bit more stable and if you weren’t planning on staying long term would be okay for a few years to build up the hours.
You’re lucky to have three job offers, back in the 1990s you were lucky to get one and had to grab what ever was going. At the end of the day it’s a lotto as to which will have the best outcome. I went overseas in the early 2000s and had three possible employers at the time, I simply took the first one that offered me a job. Luckily it was the right choice as they were taken over by a major airline and I’m much better off than I would have been with either of the others.
There are two things to look for if you want a quick upgrade, an expanding company with pilot turnover will get you into the left seat a lot quicker than a mature legacy airline where everyone stays until they retire.
Alliance is more established and you prefer their base, however the type rating is less useful than the other two.
Bonza would be a bit of a gamble as a new start up but if it works out you could be right place at the right time, similar to the pilots who joined Virgin back in the early 2000s got a quick upgrade and are now B737 Captains living in Brisbane.
REX is more established and should be a bit more stable and if you weren’t planning on staying long term would be okay for a few years to build up the hours.
You’re lucky to have three job offers, back in the 1990s you were lucky to get one and had to grab what ever was going. At the end of the day it’s a lotto as to which will have the best outcome. I went overseas in the early 2000s and had three possible employers at the time, I simply took the first one that offered me a job. Luckily it was the right choice as they were taken over by a major airline and I’m much better off than I would have been with either of the others.
Alliance is more established and you prefer their base, however the type rating is less useful than the other two.
Bonza would be a bit of a gamble as a new start up but if it works out you could be right place at the right time, similar to the pilots who joined Virgin back in the early 2000s got a quick upgrade and are now B737 Captains living in Brisbane.
REX is more established and should be a bit more stable and if you weren’t planning on staying long term would be okay for a few years to build up the hours.
You’re lucky to have three job offers, back in the 1990s you were lucky to get one and had to grab what ever was going. At the end of the day it’s a lotto as to which will have the best outcome. I went overseas in the early 2000s and had three possible employers at the time, I simply took the first one that offered me a job. Luckily it was the right choice as they were taken over by a major airline and I’m much better off than I would have been with either of the others.
You won’t find an EA for the ejets as there is none - contract only.
rosters for 28 days will consist of:
8 DDOs, think they can chuck singles in there.
whatever flying they give you
all other days will be max length STBY
rosters for 28 days will consist of:
8 DDOs, think they can chuck singles in there.
whatever flying they give you
all other days will be max length STBY
Any idea on the number of days they work on the Ejet and F100? HR haven't confirmed a fleet type yet.
Right now in BNE on the Fokker fleet, you can expect to be called out on every reserve and fly over 900hrs a year. For this, you will make $200k or so, about $70k of this is allowances. Upgrades are happening fast, 1-2 years. They're working on an EBA that will bring the Fokker and E190 fleets in Qld under one umbrella and Alliance proposing to add 2 grey days to the 8 RDOs in a roster (correct me if I'm wrong?).
Thankfully the ACCC chair is an expert in this policy area. However up until the Qantas Group troubles became more public recently they were quietly approaching their resources clients to ask them to put in a good written word and then potentially challenge the ACCC view, perhaps in court. The takeover bid officially expires in December, I don't know how successful Qantas were in getting support from their mining clients and they have bigger legal priorities now anyway.
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From another thread “Australian Wages” and talking to the boys
Current Alliance F100/E190 figures are below. Seems negotiations are currently occurring to merge the two fleets into a single contract. F100 crews get RPT bonus on top E190 doesn’t at the moment.
FO Base: $128679
CA Base: $186491
FO Productivity: $210
CPT Productivity: $332
RPT BONUS ( paid each month if you do an RPT flight, always paid apparently)
FO: $578
CPT: $838
According to the crews I know there captains are getting flogged, expect to fly 80-90 hours a month (productivity starts at 55 hours). FOs either just fall short of 55 or just bust it but thee may be outliers. So realistically a Captain on either fleet will be grossing around the $250k mark as a line driver. No idea what pays are like for those in the training department
Current Alliance F100/E190 figures are below. Seems negotiations are currently occurring to merge the two fleets into a single contract. F100 crews get RPT bonus on top E190 doesn’t at the moment.
FO Base: $128679
CA Base: $186491
FO Productivity: $210
CPT Productivity: $332
RPT BONUS ( paid each month if you do an RPT flight, always paid apparently)
FO: $578
CPT: $838
According to the crews I know there captains are getting flogged, expect to fly 80-90 hours a month (productivity starts at 55 hours). FOs either just fall short of 55 or just bust it but thee may be outliers. So realistically a Captain on either fleet will be grossing around the $250k mark as a line driver. No idea what pays are like for those in the training department
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Bear in mind what you see now and what you will see in a years time SHOULD be different, all airlines have/are recruiting and have a long pipeline of training to complete so crewing SHOULD settle down and pilots gradually getting less flogged in the months to come, this would appear to be the case for all the airlines at present but certainly QF and QQ.
Against this is probably the most volatile pilot market in many decades in Oz with opportunities aplenty for movement for those inclined - but that will change only because it always does, when it will change the big question.
Like it or not QF is the only local prospect who arguably will never go broke or fail as well as the only airline offering "traditional" progress through seniority on types/divisions which is probably attractive to many.
Others more versed in money matters can comment but rumours Bain have already get their money back from VA by loading debt against VA and Bain pocketing the cash, whilst unlikely they could decide tomorrow to close it down/sell up any assets and piss off, they do NOT want to run an airline they care only about $$$ and can be ruthless in how to obtain it (IMHO of course!).
Point being that arguably all the other airlines have the potential to go down (for different reasons and with different degrees of threat), if you factor that and assume jet time will get you another job somewhere (if required) then where you want to live becomes primary consideration, who can provide that opportunity secondary.
Best of luck choosing wisely with the unprecedented current pilot market and opportunities in Oz.
Cheers.
Against this is probably the most volatile pilot market in many decades in Oz with opportunities aplenty for movement for those inclined - but that will change only because it always does, when it will change the big question.
Like it or not QF is the only local prospect who arguably will never go broke or fail as well as the only airline offering "traditional" progress through seniority on types/divisions which is probably attractive to many.
Others more versed in money matters can comment but rumours Bain have already get their money back from VA by loading debt against VA and Bain pocketing the cash, whilst unlikely they could decide tomorrow to close it down/sell up any assets and piss off, they do NOT want to run an airline they care only about $$$ and can be ruthless in how to obtain it (IMHO of course!).
Point being that arguably all the other airlines have the potential to go down (for different reasons and with different degrees of threat), if you factor that and assume jet time will get you another job somewhere (if required) then where you want to live becomes primary consideration, who can provide that opportunity secondary.
Best of luck choosing wisely with the unprecedented current pilot market and opportunities in Oz.
Cheers.
