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Aus pilots need to just wake up, and place a proper value on themselves, draw a line in the proverbial sand, and take it to these tyrannical organisations.
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In a year say between 1988 and 1990 you know the year we don't mention IIRC this type of action was taken and depending on your point of view, i'm not sure everything went according to plan.
Just saying.
Just saying.
Hence why Australia needs a proper pilots union that can represent all players, or at least an understanding between unions that no pilots will act as strike breakers. The chance of international ring ins saving the day is much lower as well, seeing that Australia has become a leper colony for conditions and regulator mediocrity. They can't even hire internationals to come here for normal positions, let alone those that know they will be hated by all and sundry.
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I was specific when I mentioned strike action. Pilots can resign en-masse even today, but it will achieve the same result as that year.
Not sure what a "proper pilots union" is. What the pilot's unions need is a properly funded negotiator who can represent all the unions in any negotiations. One who is not subject to the pressures of being a pilot and who can negotiate with the client's objectives in mind.
Hence why Australia needs a proper pilots union that can represent all players, or at least an understanding between unions that no pilots will act as strike breakers.
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Not sure what a "proper pilots union" is. What the pilot's unions need is a properly funded negotiator who can represent all the unions in any negotiations. One who is not subject to the pressures of being a pilot and who can negotiate with the client's objectives in mind.
The real driver of the pay rises in the US is the rules fought for by ALPA, specifically the 1500 hour ruling. I'd like to see a union here have the clout to change regulations for the better, so far we have been stepped on by everything from security to medical issues and I don't see much from a union front to really counter any of it.
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More fear-mongering to make the pilots roll over. The worst people in any organisation are those who act through fear.
”My mate’s best friend’s sister in law said they heard a rumour that if we don’t do five day patterns then we could lose Japan flights! And if that happens they might use foreign pilots instead. We might all end up unemployed!!! Won’t somebody think of the children. Let’s roll over and give them something for nothing.”
Pathetic.
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This is often the quoted sentiment but how does it actually work in practise? When was the last time pilots actually took strike action and devoted their time to a picket line? The American experience is often quoted but they will hold up placards and actually sacrifice their time and their income to get a better pay deal. If you don't understand how the industrial landscape has been skewed in favour of the corporations and that walk off the job strike action is in fact illegal then you are just pissing into the wind. Pay rises have flat lined across all industries for the last 30 years.
The 'good faith' aspect of bargaining is all but ignored by companies, and unfortunately when a negotiation does, end up at the FWC, even the commissioners appear to take a softly softly approach on the delay tactics taken by the companies. (ie: there ain't no good faith in most cases)
In the end, and again the pilots hold the power (here and now) - there needs to be cohesion and decent representation, and then conceivably the change could be made. Oh, and also a slight bit of respect restored.
In a generation not too far from here, a late PM described pilots as nothing but glorified bus drivers, it's almost like the companies feel that's the case, and the concept has almost eked into the sub conscious of a generation of professional pilots.
Both the majors in Australia at the moment are essentially printing money, and continue to use the Covid 19 pandemic circumstances in their thinly veiled and threatening excuses for maintaining (aka : suppressing and retracting) wage growth. People need to simply wake up.
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Many can not see the woods for trees.
Any Pilot, management ones aside, who have committed to Japan Flt’s are just plane dumb or greedy.
Here we had a wonderful business opportunity to negotiate some better options for ALL VA pilots.
And now with out any sign of a professional strong union the way forward is dead .
Well done , really.
Any Pilot, management ones aside, who have committed to Japan Flt’s are just plane dumb or greedy.
Here we had a wonderful business opportunity to negotiate some better options for ALL VA pilots.
And now with out any sign of a professional strong union the way forward is dead .
Well done , really.
The union you so disparage has a plan, a legally enforceable plan, but if you're not a member then **** off.
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Well TimmyTee, that had started to happen to some degree. The standard day off call in minimum is the greater of 5 hours or actual hours flown at the hourly rate. Over recent peak periods (Xmas , NY, Easter, School holidays) it has been increased to 7 and for 4 days covering last weekend in desperation it was increased to 10 hours. Along with a regular stream of mass SMS broadcasts to work days off, in addition to bouts of cold calling, the smell of desperation now hangs in the air🤓.
but whatever makes those that took the below industry standard offer sleep well I guess
As I’ve said previously - I personally couldn’t think of anything worse than doing that pairing!
What I find interesting is the level of personal attack that occurs when a fellow pilot airs a grievance about a company that reduced pay and conditions by nearly 20%, failed to implement a trip swap system and execs will be walking away with tens of millions between them.
Yet we infight for the privilege of working harder for less. Each to their own. Sad really.
Yet we infight for the privilege of working harder for less. Each to their own. Sad really.
