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Fire Fighting 737 Crashed in WA

Old 7th Feb 2023, 08:52
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Originally Posted by BNEAU
I do know that the fire B139 was working on was given a Watch and Act warning.

Last year it wouldn’t have been B139, it was being modified at that time and this was its first season here.
Cheers for that, must have been one of their others. They definitely make a difference
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Old 7th Feb 2023, 09:01
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Did it really happen??? Was not a mention on the ABC TV news here in South Oz?

Oh that's right. Interest rate rises and 'The Voice' are far more important!!!!
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Old 7th Feb 2023, 09:13
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Originally Posted by rattman
There was the qantas 747 that ended up in the golf course in Bangkok, they repaired few once and retired it
Go back to the spotters board, and while you’re there make sure you tell them the facts that it flew for many years after.
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Cheap operator ...

Extremely poor management, lacking in awareness.

The visibility out of a B737 at best of times is limited. Add in a mix of smoke, and any other challenges of "fire attack" etc; .. simply ask the question.. Why were there not at least two observers in the cockpit; additional to the two flying pilots; both of the "eyes" would be fully qualified B737 pilot's.

I'm pleased the crew escaped with nothing more than a bruise or two from their seat belt.

But really ?? No observers ??
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Old 7th Feb 2023, 09:37
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Originally Posted by Mumbai Merlin
Cheap operator ...

Extremely poor management, lacking in awareness.

The visibility out of a B737 at best of times is limited. Add in a mix of smoke, and any other challenges of "fire attack" etc; .. simply ask the question.. Why were there not at least two observers in the cockpit; additional to the two flying pilots; both of the "eyes" would be fully qualified B737 pilot's.

I'm pleased the crew escaped with nothing more than a bruise or two from their seat belt.

But really ?? No observers ??
I never had 2 observers in the cockpit when I was doing dive bomb approaches with 36 pax in the back of a Dash 8 into Tabubil, so why with no pax doing this ****?

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Old 7th Feb 2023, 09:53
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Terrain in the Fitzgerald NP

Originally Posted by laardvark
I just saw an ATSB guy interviewed .
he said the 737 may have clipped a ridge before crashing .
I've spent many hours doing low level animal tracking for DP&W over the FNP.
Apart from a line of granite hills, (up to 2k), along the immediate coast, the terrain is notable for steep 'Breakaways' close to the several creeks/ rivers. These are probably in the order of 100-300ft, but quite abrupt.
In onshore winds, SE-S, there's some mechanical turbulence for probably 7-8 nm inland.
Re the bird theory, in probably 50 hrs in a 172 over this area.... nary 1 sighted. Maybe you'd see a few wedgetails near fires, but as for large flocks..... never seen.

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Old 7th Feb 2023, 09:57
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Originally Posted by laardvark
I just saw an ATSB guy interviewed .
he said the 737 may have clipped a ridge before crashing .
From the same guy who said it was lucky they landed horizontally and not vertically? The ATSB is in good hands
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Old 7th Feb 2023, 10:10
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Video of aircraft before it burnt out on Twitter. Wingtip- would this be the Citation?

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Old 7th Feb 2023, 10:19
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Originally Posted by prickly
Nah, that was a total financial loss, QF spent about as much as a new 747 400 to repair the wreck just so they could perpetuate the myth
Tell me you know nothing about the QF1 repair job without telling me you nothing about the QF1 repair job.

Repair was less than $100 million. New 744 at the time was more than $160 million. Avagoodone.
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Originally Posted by A little birdie
Tell me you know nothing about the QF1 repair job without telling me you nothing about the QF1 repair job.

Repair was less than $100 million. New 744 at the time was more than $160 million. Avagoodone.
Not entirely true, Qantas claimed it cost less than $100 mil, but never released any financials on it. The point was to make it look like a pure financial decision rather than avoiding tarnishing its jet hull loss record. There's a few that claimed it cost much more.
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I need all the experts on this forum to speculate and provide commentary about what happened before the great GT chimes in.
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Old 7th Feb 2023, 10:43
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767
I have never known a airliner that made a off airport landing and flew again. I am sure it’s happened but incredibly unlikely. Even if zero damage the recovery effort would almost certainly render the aircraft unairworthy.
JAL Flight 2 a DC-8-62 'landed' in SFO Bay 2.5 miles short of the runway on 22 NOV 1968. Retrieved, repaired by United and flew again for a further 30 odd years.
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
Not entirely true, Qantas claimed it cost less than $100 mil, but never released any financials on it. The point was to make it look like a pure financial decision rather than avoiding tarnishing its jet hull loss record. There's a few that claimed it cost much more.
I’ll take the word of the bloke who oversaw the repair job and still has OJH’s nose gear doors in his garage as wall art. avagoodone
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Old 7th Feb 2023, 11:17
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Watching the video, we over here in the UK can only admire the laconic way the ATSB staffer told the journos that it was a horizontal landing as opposed to a vertical one into the ground, and "that makes a big difference".

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Old 7th Feb 2023, 11:27
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot
I never had 2 observers in the cockpit when I was doing dive bomb approaches with 36 pax in the back of a Dash 8 into Tabubil, so why with no pax doing this ****?

All legal dive bomb approaches into Tabubil!! CASA PNG approved……..👎
I wish I had an observer for my complicit dive bomb into Tabubil… some may say it was wild
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Old 7th Feb 2023, 11:49
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Originally Posted by Kulwin Park
How do you know that??? Nobody has even seen pictures yet to determine the condition of the hull.
It wont be available over the next month at least so there is a gap in the fire fighting support effort.
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I’ll take the word of the bloke who oversaw the repair job and still has OJH’s nose gear doors in his garage as wall art. avagoodone
Totally separate issues. This 737 is fvcked and will never fly again. QF1 was repaired beyond its wirth to maintain the myth.
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Old 7th Feb 2023, 12:29
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Originally Posted by logansi
Ever since the Black Saturday Royal Commission there has been an big focus in Australia on keeping fires small and hitting them hard as fast. It's why Victoria now uses what is called PDD (Pre-determined dispatch) where aircraft are deployed to all Grass and Scrub fires at the same time as the first truck. (If you call 000 an aircraft will respond).

LATs play this role by hitting fires in remote country and helping contain them before they are a threat to property. Just this year the Victorian LATs (an RJ85 and Q400) have been deployed multiple times to lightning strike fires in the Big Desert National park in the states NW. And have in the past been used on tiny fires (less than a few sqm) in remote alpine areas in the far east. They also become cost-effective when the reduce the number of flights required by Air tractors and commitment of ground resources.
Great post logansi . It may be that a flank was considered for a phos line to allow ground crews a safe operating environment and reduced fire activity or that this was the last chance of a run before rugged country where phos wont work. What matters here is that two aircrew got to walk away and that the efforts of all aircrews, from Birdogs to linescans to helitaks who operate in dangerous conditions are appreciated and respected. I've seen a phos line from a LAT save an entire town and it does work when deployed appropriately.
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767
I have never known a airliner that made a off airport landing and flew again. I am sure it’s happened but incredibly unlikely.
BAC 1-11 G-ASJD, 24 August 1964, Tilshead, England.

Landed wheels-up following the inability to release a drag parachute during deep stall testing by the manufacturer.

Was recovered and repaired, going on to fly with British United and British Caledonian until 1971 when it became a military research aircraft (XX105) and flew until 2003, eventually being broken up in 2012.

The 737 accident is quite something, given the pylon mounted engines hanging below the fuselage. I'm assuming the gear wasn't down here either - we'll see.

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