Fire Fighting 737 Crashed in WA
Cheers for that, must have been one of their others. They definitely make a difference
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Did it really happen???
Was not a mention on the ABC TV news here in South Oz?
Oh that's right. Interest rate rises and 'The Voice' are far more important!!!!
Was not a mention on the ABC TV news here in South Oz?Oh that's right. Interest rate rises and 'The Voice' are far more important!!!!
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Cheap operator ...
Extremely poor management, lacking in awareness.
The visibility out of a B737 at best of times is limited. Add in a mix of smoke, and any other challenges of "fire attack" etc; .. simply ask the question.. Why were there not at least two observers in the cockpit; additional to the two flying pilots; both of the "eyes" would be fully qualified B737 pilot's.
I'm pleased the crew escaped with nothing more than a bruise or two from their seat belt.
But really ?? No observers ??
Extremely poor management, lacking in awareness.
The visibility out of a B737 at best of times is limited. Add in a mix of smoke, and any other challenges of "fire attack" etc; .. simply ask the question.. Why were there not at least two observers in the cockpit; additional to the two flying pilots; both of the "eyes" would be fully qualified B737 pilot's.
I'm pleased the crew escaped with nothing more than a bruise or two from their seat belt.
But really ?? No observers ??
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Cheap operator ...
Extremely poor management, lacking in awareness.
The visibility out of a B737 at best of times is limited. Add in a mix of smoke, and any other challenges of "fire attack" etc; .. simply ask the question.. Why were there not at least two observers in the cockpit; additional to the two flying pilots; both of the "eyes" would be fully qualified B737 pilot's.
I'm pleased the crew escaped with nothing more than a bruise or two from their seat belt.
But really ?? No observers ??
Extremely poor management, lacking in awareness.
The visibility out of a B737 at best of times is limited. Add in a mix of smoke, and any other challenges of "fire attack" etc; .. simply ask the question.. Why were there not at least two observers in the cockpit; additional to the two flying pilots; both of the "eyes" would be fully qualified B737 pilot's.
I'm pleased the crew escaped with nothing more than a bruise or two from their seat belt.
But really ?? No observers ??
All legal dive bomb approaches into Tabubil!! CASA PNG approved……..👎
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Terrain in the Fitzgerald NP
Apart from a line of granite hills, (up to 2k), along the immediate coast, the terrain is notable for steep 'Breakaways' close to the several creeks/ rivers. These are probably in the order of 100-300ft, but quite abrupt.
In onshore winds, SE-S, there's some mechanical turbulence for probably 7-8 nm inland.
Re the bird theory, in probably 50 hrs in a 172 over this area.... nary 1 sighted. Maybe you'd see a few wedgetails near fires, but as for large flocks..... never seen.
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Repair was less than $100 million. New 744 at the time was more than $160 million. Avagoodone.
Not entirely true, Qantas claimed it cost less than $100 mil, but never released any financials on it. The point was to make it look like a pure financial decision rather than avoiding tarnishing its jet hull loss record. There's a few that claimed it cost much more.
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JAL Flight 2 a DC-8-62 'landed' in SFO Bay 2.5 miles short of the runway on 22 NOV 1968. Retrieved, repaired by United and flew again for a further 30 odd years.
I’ll take the word of the bloke who oversaw the repair job and still has OJH’s nose gear doors in his garage as wall art. avagoodone
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Watching the video, we over here in the UK can only admire the laconic way the ATSB staffer told the journos that it was a horizontal landing as opposed to a vertical one into the ground, and "that makes a big difference".
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I wish I had an observer for my complicit dive bomb into Tabubil… some may say it was wild
Ever since the Black Saturday Royal Commission there has been an big focus in Australia on keeping fires small and hitting them hard as fast. It's why Victoria now uses what is called PDD (Pre-determined dispatch) where aircraft are deployed to all Grass and Scrub fires at the same time as the first truck. (If you call 000 an aircraft will respond).
LATs play this role by hitting fires in remote country and helping contain them before they are a threat to property. Just this year the Victorian LATs (an RJ85 and Q400) have been deployed multiple times to lightning strike fires in the Big Desert National park in the states NW. And have in the past been used on tiny fires (less than a few sqm) in remote alpine areas in the far east. They also become cost-effective when the reduce the number of flights required by Air tractors and commitment of ground resources.
LATs play this role by hitting fires in remote country and helping contain them before they are a threat to property. Just this year the Victorian LATs (an RJ85 and Q400) have been deployed multiple times to lightning strike fires in the Big Desert National park in the states NW. And have in the past been used on tiny fires (less than a few sqm) in remote alpine areas in the far east. They also become cost-effective when the reduce the number of flights required by Air tractors and commitment of ground resources.
Landed wheels-up following the inability to release a drag parachute during deep stall testing by the manufacturer.
Was recovered and repaired, going on to fly with British United and British Caledonian until 1971 when it became a military research aircraft (XX105) and flew until 2003, eventually being broken up in 2012.
The 737 accident is quite something, given the pylon mounted engines hanging below the fuselage. I'm assuming the gear wasn't down here either - we'll see.
