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Old 13th Feb 2023, 01:38
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Why would you tell any flog in the back what was going on, with onboard wifi it'd be splashed all over the internet in moments, ****em.
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Old 13th Feb 2023, 01:55
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Agreed. They never bothered listening to the safety demo, now suddenly they want the love? It'll do 'em good to feel a little fear for their lives.
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Old 19th Feb 2023, 05:19
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https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...fa7a6709cd91c8

QF28 diverts to NTL.
With just under 1800m LDA at the moment and a bunch of taxiway closures it would have made for a painful end of trip.
How tight is a 1800m LDA for the 787 given they regularly “require” 34L/16R in Sydney?
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Old 19th Feb 2023, 05:41
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That news story lost any substance when it started referring to all the other ‘mishaps’ (and they couldn’t even get those right, a jet to CFS? Jet with props, good one), that have absolutely nothing to do with a 787 diverting due to weather.

Why didn’t they report on all the other diversions that took place yesterday and the associated problems with their relevant airlines?
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Old 19th Feb 2023, 05:53
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I guess because it was highly unusual (an emergency airport) and the pax were stuck on it for somewhere around 6 hours after a roughly 14 hour flight because there were no stairs I think to disembark them.
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Old 19th Feb 2023, 07:31
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And thus, you get the typical QF bashing.
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Old 19th Feb 2023, 07:32
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Originally Posted by noclue
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...fa7a6709cd91c8

QF28 diverts to NTL.
With just under 1800m LDA at the moment and a bunch of taxiway closures it would have made for a painful end of trip.
How tight is a 1800m LDA for the 787 given they regularly “require” 34L/16R in Sydney?
I would say that they had some room to spare, depending on weight of course.
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Old 19th Feb 2023, 07:49
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Originally Posted by noclue
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...fa7a6709cd91c8

QF28 diverts to NTL.
With just under 1800m LDA at the moment and a bunch of taxiway closures it would have made for a painful end of trip.
How tight is a 1800m LDA for the 787 given they regularly “require” 34L/16R in Sydney?
If, after a 16hrs + tour of duty, the landing performance is even slightly tight, I would hope a good crew would mitigate the risks and request the longer runway.

Obviously if diverting to a single runway due to weather, as long as the landing performance was adequate, you do what you gotta do.

I’m sure you’re aware of that and are just having a gentle jibe at your fellow colleagues.
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Old 19th Feb 2023, 09:41
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I was surprised they got in a position where somewhere that’s only 1800m long with no appropriate ground support was the place they had to go.

Not enough juice for the extra 50nm to Canberra? Perhaps a 200nm line of storms was in the way. Sounds like a ****ty position to be in that’s for sure.
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Old 19th Feb 2023, 11:29
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Meanwhile the VA engine failure on Friday evening on VA471 has completely escaped any media coverage whatsoever.

Was an albino ex KLM 73G which has been happily cruising at FL37 for around 15mins when engine #1 failed.

She returned back to PER, gonna be a prolonged recovery whilst an engine is sourced and road freighted across from presumably BNE.

Unlike the QF incident don’t believe a mayday call was made.

Saw some footage of the landing back in PER, textbook kudos to the crew.
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Old 19th Feb 2023, 11:52
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
I was surprised they got in a position where somewhere that’s only 1800m long with no appropriate ground support was the place they had to go.

Not enough juice for the extra 50nm to Canberra? Perhaps a 200nm line of storms was in the way. Sounds like a ****ty position to be in that’s for sure.
CBR charges airlines to filed as an alternate airport. So, perhaps they didn't have CBR as an option.
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Old 19th Feb 2023, 14:08
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The line of wx was 100 miles each side of SYD so CBR wasn’t an option unless you went to Parkes then south.
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Old 19th Feb 2023, 16:39
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Originally Posted by Tom/PER
Meanwhile the VA engine failure on Friday evening on VA471 has completely escaped any media coverage whatsoever.

Was an albino ex KLM 73G which has been happily cruising at FL37 for around 15mins when engine #1 failed.

She returned back to PER, gonna be a prolonged recovery whilst an engine is sourced and road freighted across from presumably BNE.

Unlike the QF incident don’t believe a mayday call was made.

Saw some footage of the landing back in PER, textbook kudos to the crew.
No mayday, no news coverage. Why the indignation?

If you call mayday then expect media coverage along with the rest of it.. doesn't seem surprising to me..
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Old 19th Feb 2023, 19:48
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gossip on the radio at the time suggested Canberra was full.....
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Old 19th Feb 2023, 22:28
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At some point presumably Melbourne and Sydney would have both been options.
Perhaps the weather wasn’t too bad in Sydney at that point so continued to destination with CBR as the contingency option, which then had to change to NTL?
Tough spot to be in, kudos to the crews for getting through the night as best you could.
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Old 20th Feb 2023, 03:02
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Originally Posted by Tom/PER
Meanwhile the VA engine failure on Friday evening on VA471 has completely escaped any media coverage whatsoever.

Was an albino ex KLM 73G which has been happily cruising at FL37 for around 15mins when engine #1 failed.

She returned back to PER, gonna be a prolonged recovery whilst an engine is sourced and road freighted across from presumably BNE.
Back last century they could fly a spare engine across on a 747.. I guess that's not possible now?

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Old 20th Feb 2023, 05:57
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Back last century they could fly a spare engine across on a 747.. I guess that's not possible now?
Not unless there happens to be a 747 freighter sitting idle in the country somewhere & the owner has no plans for it,probably not very likely.
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Old 20th Feb 2023, 06:10
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Believe it or not, the spare engines were bolted to the wing. I think the 707 had the same 'hardware'?

73s? No so much...
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Old 20th Feb 2023, 06:34
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Many GA airports in the US have more infrastructure (yes even the ability to handle a 787) vs half the third world stuff we have here. I really do laugh when all our airports put out statements regarding new taxiways and stronger surfaces as "game changing". Most of the world has had this game changing standard for 20 years. They build the taxiway riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight to the runways end. We seem to get lost three quarters down and call it a day. Sunny Coast is an embarrassment.
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Old 20th Feb 2023, 22:07
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
Many GA airports in the US have more infrastructure (yes even the ability to handle a 787) vs half the third world stuff we have here. I really do laugh when all our airports put out statements regarding new taxiways and stronger surfaces as "game changing". Most of the world has had this game changing standard for 20 years. They build the taxiway riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight to the runways end. We seem to get lost three quarters down and call it a day. Sunny Coast is an embarrassment.
The problem stems from a particular combination of airport owners who, having been handed the keys to vast tracts of prime commercial real estate by the federal government many moons ago, simply don't know what they're doing ("What's a taxiway? Don't you mean the entry ramp to the carpark?!?") engaging large engineering consulting firms who also don't know what they're doing ("Does that taxiway really need to go right to the end? If we stop it here instead, there'll be more money for car parking").

It seems they're a bit more familiar with aircraft and airports in the US since most folks over there know what they're used for (a hint: no, it's not car parking).
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