Another day, another QF incident
Discover that EDTO (what ETOPS is now) hasn’t been signed off in the tech log by engineering and you can’t proceed, regardless of the background of the pilot. Pulling a dodgy and just continuing is going to land the pilots in hot water.
Joyce is blaming an engine failure on a pax ? WTF?
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EDTO was not signed off in the tech log by engineering. Not lawful to continue.
The aircraft doesn’t know whether a flight is domestic or international.
The aircraft doesn’t know whether a flight is domestic or international.
Many years ago a Qantas 767 taxied in Brisbane for departure to Honolulu. OGA, B, and C had an increased MTOW for specific sectors with a regulatory requirement to have a placard on the flightdeck door indicating which MTOW was 'in use' and a tech log entry (Hold Item) showing the higher MTOW. Unfortunately the dispatching engineer forgot to flip the MTOW placard to the higher weight. Rather than taxi back from the 19 threshold to the gate the crew requested the info be sent by ACARS with a note that the placard was displaying the lesser weight. (It was post 9/11 so no-one had a screwdriver to loosen the placard screws and they were too tight for a first class knife!). It took about 15 minutes and the flight proceeded.
Arguably both the 767 and the QF887 could have completed their journey without issue, however in each case the operating crew having noted the 'paperwork' oversight, were compelled by regulation to take the action they did.
QANTAS was an early adopter of ETOPS - but not necessarily for over water flights. There were lots of flight across the Outback where the most efficient route was more than 60 minutes from a suitable airport and so required ETOPS.
In our case, the 60 minute rule distance was 434 NM:

Last edited by BuzzBox; 24th Jan 2023 at 23:51. Reason: EDTO map added
Joyce is blaming an engine failure on a pax ? WTF?
Joyce is blaming an engine failure on a pax ? WTF?
https://doublebaytoday.com/qantas-ce...eroplane-mode/
https://doublebaytoday.com/qantas-ce...eroplane-mode/

Turning back for paperwork? Why not just get approval over ACARS to sign it yourself and continue? The jet doesn't know if it's signed off or not. Neither does the weather. Must've been a cadet...
Reminds me of the time two jet captains on 121.5 briefing each other on an ILS because one did not have the charts (pre-Eflight bags) and the destination was down to minima....