Bonza has its AOC
777 Partners also claiming they now need Bonza to have access to SYD to survive. Pre launch I recall Jordan saying that SYD access was not necessary with their point to point model...
Tiger Airways’ Tony Davis in 2007.
Sydney Airport is a major airport … (but) it isn't ideal for our operation and there are many other airports around the country … that (are) much better suited to our type of model."
Tiger Airways Tony Davis in 2009
We have made the long-awaited announcement of Sydney flights, with services from Melbourne to start on July 3.
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Saying you don't need access to 1/5 of the country's population is like saying you are going to save money by only taking 80% of the fuel you require...
So here's the thing
AB launched 27 routes
22 are ongoing
5 failed
A couple of routes will get 25%-33% increase in frequencies
Most one here were touting the viability of ABs model
A success rate of 80% of their routes proved them wrong
AB really should have had 5 frames for start up allowing for maintenance and tech
YES AB will move into competing routes when they are larger and established
But for now they are playing the "We are no threat to QF/VA/JQ, just filling some gaps in regional holiday and OD markets" card
They need Sydney but not right now
Even if they lose millions doing what they are now, it's far better than launching head to head with QF/JQ and VA as we know how they will be treated, just ask REX
AB launched 27 routes
22 are ongoing
5 failed
A couple of routes will get 25%-33% increase in frequencies
Most one here were touting the viability of ABs model
A success rate of 80% of their routes proved them wrong
AB really should have had 5 frames for start up allowing for maintenance and tech
YES AB will move into competing routes when they are larger and established
But for now they are playing the "We are no threat to QF/VA/JQ, just filling some gaps in regional holiday and OD markets" card
They need Sydney but not right now
Even if they lose millions doing what they are now, it's far better than launching head to head with QF/JQ and VA as we know how they will be treated, just ask REX
Think your confusing success with survival, especially as 777partners is looking to reduce ownership.
So here's the thing
AB launched 27 routes
22 are ongoing
5 failed
A couple of routes will get 25%-33% increase in frequencies
Most one here were touting the viability of ABs model
A success rate of 80% of their routes proved them wrong
AB really should have had 5 frames for start up allowing for maintenance and tech
YES AB will move into competing routes when they are larger and established
But for now they are playing the "We are no threat to QF/VA/JQ, just filling some gaps in regional holiday and OD markets" card
They need Sydney but not right now
Even if they lose millions doing what they are now, it's far better than launching head to head with QF/JQ and VA as we know how they will be treated, just ask REX
AB launched 27 routes
22 are ongoing
5 failed
A couple of routes will get 25%-33% increase in frequencies
Most one here were touting the viability of ABs model
A success rate of 80% of their routes proved them wrong
AB really should have had 5 frames for start up allowing for maintenance and tech
YES AB will move into competing routes when they are larger and established
But for now they are playing the "We are no threat to QF/VA/JQ, just filling some gaps in regional holiday and OD markets" card
They need Sydney but not right now
Even if they lose millions doing what they are now, it's far better than launching head to head with QF/JQ and VA as we know how they will be treated, just ask REX
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The sunny coast local rag has quoted Bonza as saying there were 2236 customers affected by the route cancellations. With an average 2 return services a week and 6 weeks of bookings available across the five routes that’s 37 pax per flight.
Your numbers are a bit off though as they are only flying weekly Sunny Coast to Tamworth and Coffs and Wellcamp to Proserpine at the moment
2236 customers over 6 weeks is 372 per week
5 routes / 3 weekly 2 x twice weekly = 7 routes or 14 sectors or 26 seats per sector
If I had to bet on the next serious player who will be a stayer in the Oz domestic market, it would be Rex. Love ‘em or hate ‘em, I reckon you could buy a ticket with them for your next summer trip and have a fair chance of it flying.
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My bet is Xmas this year it will be over for the "team of legends". Do their Human Remains copywriters even know the definition of ‘legend’? Prescient or what?
If I had to bet on the next serious player who will be a stayer in the Oz domestic market, it would be Rex. Love ‘em or hate ‘em, I reckon you could buy a ticket with them for your next summer trip and have a fair chance of it flying.
If I had to bet on the next serious player who will be a stayer in the Oz domestic market, it would be Rex. Love ‘em or hate ‘em, I reckon you could buy a ticket with them for your next summer trip and have a fair chance of it flying.
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Let's have a bo-peep at their FY23 financial reporting. You get a sense that there is something fundamentally amiss for them to be pulling in about $56.5 million a month in revenue but haemorrhaging $2.5 - $3.0 million a month during what has been a pretty positive year for domestic air travel.
As the Zen Master was fond of saying, "We'll see."
Let's have a bo-peep at their FY23 financial reporting. You get a sense that there is something fundamentally amiss for them to be pulling in about $56.5 million a month in revenue but haemorrhaging $2.5 - $3.0 million a month during what has been a pretty positive year for domestic air travel.
Let's have a bo-peep at their FY23 financial reporting. You get a sense that there is something fundamentally amiss for them to be pulling in about $56.5 million a month in revenue but haemorrhaging $2.5 - $3.0 million a month during what has been a pretty positive year for domestic air travel.
Terrible is 20-50 ish. Perhaps they need a decent frequent flyer program. Triangle 5pm you shouldn’t have a spare seat available during the week.
Actually Rex had an extremely successful FF program of 10th flight free, and it was extremely popular for the frequent business travelers to the country ports. I think Rex didn't like the fact that businesses could use the free flight for last minute tickets to avoid huge fares so scrapped it, but I think it was a huge blunder on Rexs' part as it was attracting a lot of business. I remember a lot of regular customers that commented that the simple 10th flight free program was keeping them with Rex and when it ended they traveled with who was cheapest on the day, if that was an option. Again comes down to putting accountants in charge of the marketing and loyalty segments, when you could be great, but you pinch the pennies that would have lifted you to the next level. Not to mention their idea of how to treat regional customers and set schedules and routing is stuck in 1981.
Excluding Tuesday and Wednesday.
Wasting my time to prove a point, a random sample of flights this morning on Expert Flyer has about half dozen flights only 30-50 people.
The point is they would probably be full during the week, ie corporate times, if they had a loyalty program?
Wasting my time to prove a point, a random sample of flights this morning on Expert Flyer has about half dozen flights only 30-50 people.
The point is they would probably be full during the week, ie corporate times, if they had a loyalty program?
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Mmm, I don't know about that. I'm seeing similar numbers to what Poppa is quoting.
Noting all the issues that routinely plague small data sets, yesterday and so far today Rex are looking at load factors in the 40s for Sydney-Melbourne and Sydney-Brisbane; ~41.5 percent for SYD-MEL, and ~44.2 percent for SYD-BNE.
Seven Eight months ago, when Rex were firing off the "We're in the money" announcements to the market, the load factors for those city pairs for Tuesdays and Wednesdays were in the high 80s; ~86.5 percent for SYD-MEL, and ~88.2 percent for SYD-BNE.
Something may have changed, and changed in a very significant way. Or maybe it hasn't, and yesterday and today are aberrations. Let's see what a week or so of data turns up.
Noting all the issues that routinely plague small data sets, yesterday and so far today Rex are looking at load factors in the 40s for Sydney-Melbourne and Sydney-Brisbane; ~41.5 percent for SYD-MEL, and ~44.2 percent for SYD-BNE.
Something may have changed, and changed in a very significant way. Or maybe it hasn't, and yesterday and today are aberrations. Let's see what a week or so of data turns up.
Last edited by MickG0105; 26th Jul 2023 at 04:05. Reason: Correction to comparison data period