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Old 16th Sep 2022, 07:06
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Plenty of multi jobs on the AFAPs job page this week for those Caravan Kings to get your twin time up.
I'm trying to figure out if you have a chip on your shoulder regarding the ol' PropJet, or you are trying to wind people up.

I personally know 5 "Caravan Kings" that have scored average to prime RHS gigs in Oz since May... only 2 had any multi time at all, 1 was Skydive Van only believe it or not!
I know of 13 people with heaps multi time, but they either are still getting strung along on hold files or annoyingly can't even get a look in
I don't know of how many QGPA Wellcampers are getting spots, heaps of them are snooping around Darwin etc.
I do know GA pilots are leaving for the U.S by the droves, and are genuinely not looking back...Although i've heard the odd yank on the radio down here every now and then.







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Old 20th Sep 2022, 19:26
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Hi. Could someone please share what is the approx time to command for a new joiner with about 1000hrs jet time? And the likelihood of getting a Brisbane base? Thanks.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 00:02
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There's no way to answer that with lower end operators. In stable times movement can be small to nothing, in liquid times you would barely make the minimums and get a command, subject to your own ability. That would hold true for NJS, QLink, Rex and anything else below mainline QF/VA. If QF/VA went into administration tomorrow (hypothetical) you would be stuck where you are for a long time most likely. If like now they are recruiting madly, well you will jump the ranks very quick.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 00:12
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Originally Posted by b787q300 View Post
Hi. Could someone please share what is the approx time to command for a new joiner with about 1000hrs jet time? And the likelihood of getting a Brisbane base? Thanks.
Brisbane base = 0% chance.

Very senior pilots in Mel/Syd already keen for Brisbane but no vacancies being advertised.
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Old 26th Oct 2022, 23:49
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NJS B717 Recruitment

Sorry if this has already been covered here but has anyone been through the B717 recruitment process recently?
I'd appreciate any info. PM if you'd prefer.

Thanks in advance
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Old 27th Oct 2022, 23:20
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NJS is one of, if not the worst jobs in Australia. I would focus efforts on trying to work somewhere else. Just ask any of the 40+ people who have resigned in the last 3 months.
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Old 29th Oct 2022, 00:56
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Precisely summed up Joe. I am told that the company is suddenly concerned about the departure rate of pilots. The culture being the main topic of discussion. It will be very interesting to see if they have the stomach to do what’s needed and remove the cancerous components, or if there will be lip service and corporate BS only. Who woulda thunk that treating pilots like shit for the last decade or so would result in an exodus?
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Old 29th Oct 2022, 03:42
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The toxic culture comes from the top of the 717 operation, left over from the Cobham days. Remove them and you solve the problem.

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Old 29th Oct 2022, 09:53
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RAAF influence has become too much with the resulting negativity.
Check and Training now more emphasis on checking rather than training, big C rather than big T.
RAAF attitude that lots of failures leads to higher standards.
Such a pity.
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Old 29th Oct 2022, 10:50
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RAAF influence has become too much with the resulting negativity.
Check and Training now more emphasis on checking rather than training, big C rather than big T.
RAAF attitude that lots of failures leads to higher standards.
Such a pity.
It wouldn’t be so bad if that, check to failure, method applied to all, but from all accounts that standard applies only to those below a certain level.
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Old 29th Oct 2022, 14:43
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Originally Posted by JoeTripodi View Post
NJS is one of, if not the worst jobs in Australia. I would focus efforts on trying to work somewhere else. Just ask any of the 40+ people who have resigned in the last 3 months.
I can think of at least one jet operator that is far worse.
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Old 29th Oct 2022, 20:54
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Really...who? Do they also have a command failure rate in excess of 70 percent with 4000 total hour DECs on their way?
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Old 30th Oct 2022, 00:48
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Really...who? Do they also have a command failure rate in excess of 70 percent with 4000 total hour DECs on their way?
That’s horrific. Any T&C system that produces that failure rate is severely broken, and those running it need to lose their jobs. Almost sounds like a ploy by T&C staff to recruit their mates in as DEC over long term company FOs.

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Old 30th Oct 2022, 01:25
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Really...who? Do they also have a command failure rate in excess of 70 percent with 4000 total hour DECs on their way?
Aren’t THOSE 4000 hours worth at least double normal flying hours though? I mean a deployment in a narrow body jet to yet another capital city airport is on a whole different level to what the rest of us do.

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Old 30th Oct 2022, 03:05
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Aren’t THOSE 4000 hours worth at least double normal flying hours though? I mean a deployment in a narrow body jet to yet another capital city airport is on a whole different level to what the rest of us do.

I would find it difficult to believe 70% of F/Os who had been flying that same jet in the same company on the same routes to the same SOPs for at least several years “couldn’t” be trained to the required command standard, whereas pilots who have never been in that company or flown that type or flown those routes or even flown in an airline before can just waltz in and (presumably) be at the required standard in minimum time……

I call BS on that…….
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Old 30th Oct 2022, 08:11
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Aren’t THOSE 4000 hours worth at least double normal flying hours though? I mean a deployment in a narrow body jet to yet another capital city airport is on a whole different level to what the rest of us do.
The multi hours obtained from operating a sophisticated heavy piston twin is worth 5 times any military time is worth.
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Old 30th Oct 2022, 08:46
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The RAAF culture (cancer) has really taken hold. Jobs for the boys is the next step. Unless the cancer is cut out swiftly it will only get worse.
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Old 30th Oct 2022, 09:40
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
The multi hours obtained from operating a sophisticated heavy piston twin is worth 5 times any military time is worth.
Mate, it was sarcasm.
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 01:18
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A huge pity to see, VC9.
The same type of culture (RAAF / RAF) of "the fast jet pilot" ruined Etihad and British Midland also.
It is cancer and detrimental to modern-day passenger operations not to mention company and flight CRM.
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 02:52
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
That’s horrific. Any T&C system that produces that failure rate is severely broken, and those running it need to lose their jobs. Almost sounds like a ploy by T&C staff to recruit their mates in as DEC over long term company FOs.
I would argue that any training dept with a failure rate over 10% should be doing some serious soul searching. If it has gotten to 70% as claimed, then the only real option would be to clear the dept out and start again.

If QF got word of the failure rate at NJS then then I’d be very worried about my job that dept.
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