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Old 1st Sep 2022, 13:56
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Man, such a sour mob.

There's a reason airlines ask for them. Because supply still far outstrips demand, So why not ask for the highest experience level.

Just because you missed out, doesn’t mean that everyone should be called “Austranauts”
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Old 1st Sep 2022, 15:03
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post

It will probably come to pass the QGPA graduates may be starting at NJS after their initial training. If so then that’s no different to the way it’s been done here for decades.
So much for needing 500 multi PIC time. Who makes these random min requirements up?
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Old 1st Sep 2022, 18:37
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post

It will probably come to pass the QGPA graduates may be starting at NJS after their initial training. If so then that’s no different to the way it’s been done here for decades.
Negative on that dre, QGPA is just a stunt created by Qantas so they can be seen as contributing to the training of pilots rather than just poaching and sucking up trained pilots working at other operators. No fresh graduates from the academy are gifted any right hand seat positions.
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Old 1st Sep 2022, 20:06
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Originally Posted by HalfGreen View Post
Negative on that dre, QGPA is just a stunt created by Qantas so they can be seen as contributing to the training of pilots rather than just poaching and sucking up trained pilots working at other operators. No fresh graduates from the academy are gifted any right hand seat positions.
I think things have changed…
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Old 1st Sep 2022, 22:52
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NJS Ops manuals require FOs to have 500 multi. When that changes the minimum requirements will change. Until then you caravan kings will have to try elsewhere and the Qantas cadets won’t get a chance with NJS.
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Old 1st Sep 2022, 23:41
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Originally Posted by HalfGreen View Post
Negative on that dre, QGPA is just a stunt created by Qantas so they can be seen as contributing to the training of pilots rather than just poaching and sucking up trained pilots working at other operators. No fresh graduates from the academy are gifted any right hand seat positions.
Not entirely true as there is a number of QGPA FO in QLINK
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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 00:32
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
NJS Ops manuals require FOs to have 500 multi.
That can be changed in 5 minutes. Previously a lot of operators required multi command time for new hire FOs, then to take cadets all they needed was a manual amendment done with the stroke of a pen.
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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 05:06
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Originally Posted by Brakerider View Post
I think things have changed…
Nope. Absolutely nothing has been said about this at the QGPA. Source: know cadets
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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 05:36
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As soon as QGPA used an existing training organisation (FTA) they added no extra pilots to the total amount being produced. You could always go and get a license from FTA before the academy came along...was probably a whole lot cheaper and more fairer too.

and yes, airlines will change their minimums the minute it suits them.
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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 06:20
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Originally Posted by CaptainInsaneO View Post
As soon as QGPA used an existing training organisation (FTA) they added no extra pilots to the total amount being produced. You could always go and get a license from FTA before the academy came along...was probably a whole lot cheaper and more fairer too.

and yes, airlines will change their minimums the minute it suits them.
I'm not sure if I completely agree with "no extra pilots being produced" because without Qantas' involvement there is no way FTA would've invested in a new training facility in a completely different state. However, there definitely is merit to the fact that FTA was always existing before the academy.

Aren't minimums usually implemented for insurance reasons? I'm not too well versed when it comes to operators deciding minumums. Would love some insight.
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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 10:48
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Aren't minimums usually implemented for insurance reasons? I'm not too well versed when it comes to operators deciding minumums. Would love some insight.
Insurance can be variable. A solid training system with a good reputation may bring hour requirements down. At times Australian carriers have put 200hr TT pilots into the RHS of a 320 or Q400 (and I assume still remain insured), whilst simultaneously another company has required 500 hrs multi command/ 2000hrs TT to sit in the right seat of a Metro (most probably with a far less robust C&T system).



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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 22:11
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Originally Posted by HalfGreen View Post
Nope. Absolutely nothing has been said about this at the QGPA. Source: know cadets
Source: known cadets who have left YBWW

“Hi everyone

Thank you to those who have provided an update on what has been happening post graduation.
As you can imagine across the Group we are ramping up our operations to support customer demand.

Resulting from this ramp up, we are reviewing and potentially expanding options for Alumni graduates which goes beyond QantasLink (Turboprops).

Below is an expression of interest (EOI) form for all Alumni to register their interest in Airlines and Basing across the Qantas Group.

You will be required to rank your preferred airline and base. This EOl is open from today and closes midnight Friday 2 September. Note this is non binding and ONLY open for Alumni graduates.

Any questions please reach out.

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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 05:11
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Originally Posted by Sparrows. View Post
Source: known cadets who have left YBWW

“Hi everyone

Thank you to those who have provided an update on what has been happening post graduation.
As you can imagine across the Group we are ramping up our operations to support customer demand.

Resulting from this ramp up, we are reviewing and potentially expanding options for Alumni graduates which goes beyond QantasLink (Turboprops).

Below is an expression of interest (EOI) form for all Alumni to register their interest in Airlines and Basing across the Qantas Group.

You will be required to rank your preferred airline and base. This EOl is open from today and closes midnight Friday 2 September. Note this is non binding and ONLY open for Alumni graduates.

Any questions please reach out.

Cheers
AY”


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Thanks for the insight. I don't know anyone that has left the academy yet besides QG12 which just graduated last night. I made sure to make that clear too in my original post. It's good to see that everyone now is hiring.
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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 05:17
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Insurance can be variable. A solid training system with a good reputation may bring hour requirements down. At times Australian carriers have put 200hr TT pilots into the RHS of a 320 or Q400 (and I assume still remain insured), whilst simultaneously another company has required 500 hrs multi command/ 2000hrs TT to sit in the right seat of a Metro (most probably with a far less robust C&T system).
Right, makes sense. It all comes down to T&C. Less risk I suppose.
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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 06:19
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Absolutely no surprise.

They aren’t going to create a massive training academy system (eventually suggested they’ll graduate several hundred recruits per year over several locations) and then tell them to all go out into GA and try and find work in an environment where GA is declining, on the hope that in a couple of years they may get a call from QF. Word would spread and no one would apply.

This system was designed to supply the majority of the group’s new hires for the future. People outside of the system will have to accept this, and that traditional pathways will be less common.


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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 07:10
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Absolutely no surprise.

They aren’t going to create a massive training academy system (eventually suggested they’ll graduate several hundred recruits per year over several locations) and then tell them to all go out into GA and try and find work in an environment where GA is declining, on the hope that in a couple of years they may get a call from QF. Word would spread and no one would apply.
Don't worry, these cadets will still be able to get the "full GA experience" if they put Network aviation as their number one choice.
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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 07:11
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It has virtually the same affect as having a stack of group pilots on active hold.

every qlink/jq/network pilot who is on active hold at QF Mainline is 1 less pilot going to Atlas/overseas. Golden handcuffs in full effect.
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 05:48
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Plenty of multi jobs on the AFAPs job page this week for those Caravan Kings to get your twin time up.
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 06:39
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But are they just creating a captain vacuum?? It's all very well to put low time pilots in the RHS but are they also going to waiver the command requirements too? If they are not all that will happen is low time pilots fill up the RHS with noone able to be promoted. The hard question for the insurers is then going to become are you willing to give someone with barely ATPL requirements, and maybe a few years experience a command on a large turboprop or 100 seat jet??

The whole system to date has been propped up by an excess of experienced pilots. As that diminishes because noone wants to pay market rates, the experience will leave and go overseas leaving a gaping hole in the swiss cheese in this country and a experience gap that this country has never ever seen before.
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Old 15th Sep 2022, 23:57
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
But are they just creating a captain vacuum?? It's all very well to put low time pilots in the RHS but are they also going to waiver the command requirements too? If they are not all that will happen is low time pilots fill up the RHS with noone able to be promoted. The hard question for the insurers is then going to become are you willing to give someone with barely ATPL requirements, and maybe a few years experience a command on a large turboprop or 100 seat jet??

The whole system to date has been propped up by an excess of experienced pilots. As that diminishes because noone wants to pay market rates, the experience will leave and go overseas leaving a gaping hole in the swiss cheese in this country and a experience gap that this country has never ever seen before.
Didnt you get the memo about experience being overrated? Ask anyone with an MBA and they will tell you that all you need is eagerness and a can do attitude and you’ll succeed. Aeroplanes fly themselves etc etc
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