Of Ukraine, Russia and QF9
Also been reports there are protest against his invasion. So what support does he have. Now he has made the threat of nuclear attack if he launches one of those it will be on WW3.
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Putin might be egotistical and may have overestimated the ease with which this little skirmish would play out, but he is not stupid. He knows full well the global condemnation that would befall Russia should he launch such an attack, and it wouldn't just be words this time, but likely complete isolation of Russia as a country. But on the opposite side of the coin, were the Ukraine to launch one (if they had any...), I think they would be forgiven for doing so, given they didn't start this kerfuffle.
Build a “wall” around Russia and their mates in China, freeze all international dealings and hope he is overthrown by his own people. The airspace should be treated as unflyable.
That's all it is. A threat. No leader is going to launch a nuclear weapon, of any description, these days because they know full well that doing so is to invite a nuclear attack on their own country.
Putin might be egotistical and may have overestimated the ease with which this little skirmish would play out, but he is not stupid. He knows full well the global condemnation that would befall Russia should he launch such an attack, and it wouldn't just be words this time, but likely complete isolation of Russia as a country. But on the opposite side of the coin, were the Ukraine to launch one (if they had any...), I think they would be forgiven for doing so, given they didn't start this kerfuffle.
Putin might be egotistical and may have overestimated the ease with which this little skirmish would play out, but he is not stupid. He knows full well the global condemnation that would befall Russia should he launch such an attack, and it wouldn't just be words this time, but likely complete isolation of Russia as a country. But on the opposite side of the coin, were the Ukraine to launch one (if they had any...), I think they would be forgiven for doing so, given they didn't start this kerfuffle.
No telling what someone in his apparent mental state might do as this turns into an unmitigated disaster for both him and Russia. I just hope and pray that if Vlad does elect to play the nuke card, cooler minds will immediately remove him from power.
Build a “wall” around Russia and their mates in China, freeze all international dealings and hope he is overthrown by his own people.
It's pretty questionable that a sane person would have launched the invasion,
The US invaded Libya why? Certainly not to help Libya. What about Iraq and those pesky non existent WMD?
Wake up and smell the roses, the Cold War never ended. Russian agents poisoning people in the UK ring a bell?
Actually it wasn’t even NATO to begin with but a “coalition of the willing”. Neither fact alters the basic point, “Western” countries have their share of invading other countries when it suits them. Here have some freedom…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_m...ntion_in_Libya
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_m...ntion_in_Libya
It’s pretty clear what Russia and China are doing. Stopping them won’t be achieved through diplomacy and the only other options are either economic or military. I think most people would think the economic option is most palatable initially, although I do think the military option will be forced upon the world whether we like it or not. These two leaders are not stable people.
The airspace should be closed in any case.
GordonFR…I agree with your assessment. There are two ways to resolve this, either Ukraine surrender territory, all or part to Russia, or there is a land war with Russia. Do you think sleepy Joe and Kamala (here are my pronouns) Harris are up for that? NATO are scared of starting WW3.
So assuming Putin gets all or part of Ukraine, which country is next? Getting close to NATO line here.
So assuming Putin gets all or part of Ukraine, which country is next? Getting close to NATO line here.
No dealings with China, right then, forget shopping for a while, are you wearing anything NOT made in China. When Covid hit we needed masks and PPE for goodness sake. We RELY on what they supply. Not to mention what we SELL them in raw materials.
His timing and strategy is not indicative of an unstable man. The world is not a friendly warm and fuzzy place, he is doing what is best for Russia, taking back what is theirs and building a buffer from NATO forces.
The US invaded Libya why? Certainly not to help Libya. What about Iraq and those pesky non existent WMD?
Wake up and smell the roses, the Cold War never ended. Russian agents poisoning people in the UK ring a bell?
His timing and strategy is not indicative of an unstable man. The world is not a friendly warm and fuzzy place, he is doing what is best for Russia, taking back what is theirs and building a buffer from NATO forces.
The US invaded Libya why? Certainly not to help Libya. What about Iraq and those pesky non existent WMD?
Wake up and smell the roses, the Cold War never ended. Russian agents poisoning people in the UK ring a bell?
I'm a bit over the politicisation of every thread here, we saw it on the Covid threads so lets' not bring it in everywhere. There's a forum called Jet Blast where you can argue about this stuff to your hearts content.
Are you forgetting where you are? You're on a social media site, you're on aviation facebook. If you want intelligent, reasoned debate you're in the wrong place.
If Putin wants a buffer against NATO, why is he moving west TOWARDS it?
And can you imagine how it would play out if that other lunatic Trump was still Prez, with his erratic finger on the red button.
And can you imagine how it would play out if that other lunatic Trump was still Prez, with his erratic finger on the red button.
If Putin wants a buffer against NATO, why is he moving west TOWARDS it?
There is an argument that Putin waited until after Trump because he knew that Trump was just crazy enough to send troops in. Biden is unlikely to do anything more than wet the bed.
This cannot be a serious statement.
Russia is rapidly becoming a pariah state, like NK and Iran.
Yeh, Putin is doing whats 'best' for Russia alright.
Whats 'theirs'? What the hell exactly is 'theirs'. What is literally the first point of the Budapest Memorandum, signed by Russia in 94?
>Respect Belarusian, Kazakh and Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.
Explain to me how a single inch of Ukraine is 'theirs'. That the Russians want a buffer to NATO does not legitimize their efforts to create one.
Putin is a psychopathic kleptocratic lunatic, bent on restoring the soviet empire. There would be few people on earth who care less about the welfare of the Russian people than him, given his course of stealing everything they own over the last 20 years, and now taking action that has effectively condemned them to economic hardship for a generation or more.
Absolutely nothing about his current course of action is justified, warranted or even sane. The only safe way out of this mess is for his circle of power to realize the path we are on and to drag him out of his Ural mountains bunker and hang the bastard.
Slava Ukraini
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When you can be arrested for merely planning or simply encouraging a peaceful protest against a Government decision or action, yet alone actually participating in one, are we all that different to Russia, really?