Of Ukraine, Russia and QF9
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Of Ukraine, Russia and QF9
With the Russkies fart-arsing about in the Ukraine again, the UK CAA looks to have banned any Russian-affiliate aircraft from their skies, whether it is owned, registered or otherwise associated with, their Federation.
Which makes me wonder how long it may be until Russia retaliates against the west and closes their airspace to any nation that has done it to them?
Where does that leave the Leprechaun's flagship Darwin-London routing, given as things stand it spends about 40% of their time over Russian soil?
Which makes me wonder how long it may be until Russia retaliates against the west and closes their airspace to any nation that has done it to them?
Where does that leave the Leprechaun's flagship Darwin-London routing, given as things stand it spends about 40% of their time over Russian soil?
I’m going to guess the speeding up of the PER-LHR route again.
These days it looks as if going past Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Iran will be the “safe” route.....
Understatement of the year so far….
It is a brutal reality that VP has jumped completely over the line. (Of sanity)
My thoughts are with the Ukraine citizens and the Russian citizens that are completely against this action.
Qantas will be fine.
It is a brutal reality that VP has jumped completely over the line. (Of sanity)
My thoughts are with the Ukraine citizens and the Russian citizens that are completely against this action.
Qantas will be fine.
I’m going to guess the speeding up of the PER-LHR route again.
https://www.wa.gov.au/government/cov...ational-travel
Last edited by Senior Pilot; 25th Feb 2022 at 06:04. Reason: YPDN=Darwin 🤔🥸
Likewise Iraq, including the last northbound QF DXB-LHR flight over Iraq. As we were about to leave Iraqi airspace a huge ISIL instigated explosion near Mosul lit up the night sky; a reminder to us why Qantas was about to switch to operating over Iran rather than Iraq. Days before this overflights of Iran were out of the question due to sanctions.
BA no longer routing via Russian airspace & Russia reportedly just followed up by banning UK aircraft.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ys-2022-02-25/
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ys-2022-02-25/
So how will BA reroute flights to Tokoyo and Hong Kong? Surely not via Anchorage like the old days. Mind you I loved the time there back on 747-100's
UK aircraft banned from over flying Russia
UK aircraft banned from over flying Russia
I think you'll find that BA not currently flying those routes, however SIN (& SYD from end March) will have to route south.
I wonder how many DRW/LHR pax have the faintest idea of routing?
Probably only once the moving map starts flying over funnily spelt place names in a very northern part of the world
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The Australian Prime Minister just criticised Vladimir Putin and announced heavy sanctions against Russia, and wealthy Russians connected to the Russian Government.
Qantas just announced that they would continue to fly QF9 over Russia.
What could possibly go wrong?
Qantas just announced that they would continue to fly QF9 over Russia.
What could possibly go wrong?
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So how will BA reroute flights to Tokoyo and Hong Kong? Surely not via Anchorage like the old days. Mind you I loved the time there back on 747-100's
With the Russkies fart-arsing about in the Ukraine again, the UK CAA looks to have banned any Russian-affiliate aircraft from their skies, whether it is owned, registered or otherwise associated with, their Federation.
Which makes me wonder how long it may be until Russia retaliates against the west and closes their airspace to any nation that has done it to them?
Which makes me wonder how long it may be until Russia retaliates against the west and closes their airspace to any nation that has done it to them?
Where does that leave the Leprechaun's flagship Darwin-London routing, given as things stand it spends about 40% of their time over Russian soil?
I think the plan to fly QF9 over russia will be just that,A PLAN.
Why avoid Russian airspace? Avoid the area around the Ukraine by all means, as per FAA Notams etc but the greater part of the Russian FIR is as “safe” as it has been.
Putin has no interest in picking a fight with any other nations by endangering their aircraft. The risk is around Ukraine only.
Putin has no interest in picking a fight with any other nations by endangering their aircraft. The risk is around Ukraine only.
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IT isn't about the risk of being attacked I was thinking, that the economic cost, ie if EASA bans Russian overflights, etc, then, well, Russian airspace is a major thoroughfare for a lot of Asia-Europe type flights, even QF9 now out of Darwin spends a significant portion over Russian territory. Would Russia in turn close their airspace to everyone who has locked Aeroflot out, thus forcing QF and others into a long-winded route via the Middle East or SE Asia with additional fuel, landing fees etc?
As an example, right now over Russia there's:
AI186 from Vancouver to Delhi
AI174 San Fran - Delhi
ANA224 Frankfurt-Haneda
ANA212 London-Haneda
JAL44 London-Tokyo
KAL082 Chicago - Shanghai
KAL038 Chicago - Seoul
KAL094 Washington - Seoul
And another couple dozen more, not to mention QF9 or QF1 - who has just left Russian airspace.
One would imagine that everyone closing their airspace to Russian aircraft would have much less impact on world air travel than if Russia were to close their airspace to everyone else.
As an example, right now over Russia there's:
AI186 from Vancouver to Delhi
AI174 San Fran - Delhi
ANA224 Frankfurt-Haneda
ANA212 London-Haneda
JAL44 London-Tokyo
KAL082 Chicago - Shanghai
KAL038 Chicago - Seoul
KAL094 Washington - Seoul
And another couple dozen more, not to mention QF9 or QF1 - who has just left Russian airspace.
One would imagine that everyone closing their airspace to Russian aircraft would have much less impact on world air travel than if Russia were to close their airspace to everyone else.
IT isn't about the risk of being attacked I was thinking, that the economic cost, ie if EASA bans Russian overflights, etc, then, well, Russian airspace is a major thoroughfare for a lot of Asia-Europe type flights, even QF9 now out of Darwin spends a significant portion over Russian territory. Would Russia in turn close their airspace to everyone who has locked Aeroflot out, thus forcing QF and others into a long-winded route via the Middle East or SE Asia with additional fuel, landing fees etc?