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Old 10th Feb 2022, 00:44
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Prickly said it all,there’s nothing more to say👍
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 02:30
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I hate to break Godwin’s law but of course the situation in 1930s Europe has nothing to do with the current situation in Australia.
(Apologies in advance for the continued thread drift)

Interestingly, I've had a few fellow crew (pro vax) still attempt to make this comparison regarding vaccine mandates and the exclusion of the unvaccinated from restaurants etc.

Asside from the valid points raised by Dr Dre above, the biggest and glaringly obvious flaw in this comparison is that today's "persecuted" can attend a free medical clinic and have their "star of david" instantly removed and all privileges of society immediately reinstated.
Jews in Europe did not choose to wear the star.
There was no option for removal of the star until you were undressed in preparation for your "shower".
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 07:42
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Folks, it’s now beyond time to leave this poor, misguided bloke alone. He has lost his career and his livelihood and I dare say, his licence, due to what I perceive is a mental illness. He needs professional help, not bagging. Stop!
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 08:12
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He has lost his career and his livelihood
By choice, it could have been otherwise.

what I perceive is a mental illness.
And your medical qualifications are???





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Old 10th Feb 2022, 08:27
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He'll be doing battle with SATAN in his head for the rest of his life
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 09:50
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
The Nazis didn’t want certain groups to get vaccinated because they wanted to wipe those groups out of existence.

Current day leaders want people to get vaccinated to.....keep them alive and healthy. The absolute opposite of what the Nazis wanted.
Very well then so why do we still need to enshrine all these rules and restrictions in law and continue their enforcement when they are now mostly irrelevant? And who's benefit are these rules and restrictions fulfilling? Do you still need to be nanny'd to the n'th degree to make your life decisions?


Originally Posted by Prickly
Cameltruck.

Mr Hood deserves the same support he showed his colleagues in 1989.
Prickly, I feel your pain as I was at that inaugural meeting at Dallas Brooks Hall (I think) sitting right at the back next to the vultures of the Fox Group watching their executives posture for a take-over just to feed off the assets. However, people do change over time and with hindsight see their actions under a different light, then are left to come to grips with their own daemons.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 10:09
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And who's benefit are these rules and restrictions fulfilling?
Like god damn every bodiesí sir? Or are you a conspiracy theorist?

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Old 10th Feb 2022, 10:12
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I would have money on Mr Hood getting a seat at the table with the PM for discussions this week
So itís Thursday night. Has the PM sat down Ďat the tableí with this guy yet? Oh well thereís always tomorrow.

Nutjobs
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 10:22
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Like god damn every bodiesí sir? Or are you a conspiracy theorist?
Really? By the Victorian Government's own admission after being pressed on the issue, they have stopped conducting contact tracing yet have left the laws in place forcing people to still "check-in" when the activity is now absolutely pointless.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 10:59
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Really? By the Victorian Government's own admission after being pressed on the issue, they have stopped conducting contact tracing yet have left the laws in place forcing people to still "check-in" when the activity is now absolutely pointless.
lol just check in, who cares? It doesnít hurt and only takes 2 seconds. Why do you think itís bad?

Looks like youíre being triggered

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Old 10th Feb 2022, 11:05
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Originally Posted by Hamley View Post
lol just check in, who cares? It doesnít hurt and only takes 2 seconds. Why do you think itís bad?

Looks like youíre being triggered
Obviously you still don't get it, retailers must still comply with enforcing this pointless "check-in" or risk crippling fines, please try seeing it from another point of view.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 11:37
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Soooooooo, the sheep that can't think for themselves resent those who can and do.

The unvaxxed are being descriminated against, they are being barred from a range of activities, locations and necessities that contribute to good mental health.

You're all convinced that anyone who does a bit of research, weighs up the risk of vaccination v covid and makes a decision are nutjobs. And how did you come to that conclusion? Dan Andrews media control unit told you they are. Doesn't matter that the vast majority of covid cases are mild flu like symptoms. But Dan's media control unit told you they are deserving of emergency powers.

Just how is an unvaccinated a threat to you? You're vaccinated against the disease aren't you? So how are they a threat to you? The mandates are nothing more than a punitive punishment against those who didn't tow the line. The new Australian, a compliant sheep, dobber and hater of anyone who doesn't groupthink.

Oh if a tenth of the resources were put into the real cause of death from covid, obesity and western lifestyle disease.

Disclaimer:

Tossbag:

- Vaccinated with one booster shot, believes in vaccination, does research and chose a vaccination that does not cause mycarditis as a side effect.
- Believes in freedom of choice, not threatened by a person who chooses not to vaccinate.
- Believes that choice comes with consequences.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 12:13
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Originally Posted by tossbag View Post
Just how is an unvaccinated a threat to you? You're vaccinated against the disease aren't you? So how are they a threat to you? The mandates are nothing more than a punitive punishment against those who didn't tow the line. The new Australian, a compliant sheep, dobber and hater of anyone who doesn't groupthink.
Vaccine mandates ensure the rate of vaccination is high amongst society. This has wide ranging effects. Less pressure on the healthcare system, which being a universal system we all pay for and use. So more people getting vaccinated means less wait time for others in the system. More people getting vaccinated for critical jobs means less sickness at work, fewer shortages and more productivity. So business loves it, that's why many companies will fund flu vaccines for employees.

We already have vaccine mandates. You need to ensure your kids are immunised as per the childhood vaccination schedule or risk losing tax benefits and childcare access.

I see vaccine mandates as a prime example of collective rights vs individual rights. Protection of the society as a whole over the "rights" of individuals which may cause harm to society as a whole.

Soooooooo, the sheep that can't think for themselves resent those who can and do.
So why do all anti vaxxers just shout out the same old talking points? "Vaccines are dangerous", "vaccines are ineffective", "Covid is not that much of a problem", "muh rights" etc?

- Believes that choice comes with consequences.
Really? Do you support the removal of access to publicly funded healthcare for unvaccinated patients? Getting free at the point of use healthcare despite their stupid decisions doesn't seem like much of a "consequence" to me. C'mon anti-vaxxers, show us how honest you really are, if you truly want to live free of "government tyranny" tear up your Medicare cards.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 12:50
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
So why do all anti vaxxers just shout out the same old talking points?

C'mon anti-vaxxers, show us how honest you really are, if you truly want to live free of "government tyranny" tear up your Medicare cards.
The previous poster stated clearly that he isnít anti vax.

Why is it that you and others like you deliberately ignore this and try to smear people that believe in freedom of choice and the right to bodily autonomy?

Consider this, you may think your choice is better than others THIS TIME. What happens when further down the line you find yourself on the other side? I reckon your earlier dismissal of NiemŲllerĎs First They Came quote is a classic case of those that fail to learn the lessons of history being doomed to repeat it.

Your attitude towards bodily autonomy and freedom of choice is genuinely terrifying.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 14:34
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Vaccine mandates ensure the rate of vaccination is high amongst society.
Vaccination rates are now at 95% first dose, 93% second dose and 43% booster in WA. The job is done. Yet the most draconian 'rules' are in WA. Why? You've got dream rates of vaccination.

More people getting vaccinated for critical jobs means less sickness at work, fewer shortages and more productivity. So business loves it, that's why many companies will fund flu vaccines for employees.
OK, so vaccinated workers are not getting the covid? That's where your argument falls apart.

I see vaccine mandates as a prime example of collective rights vs individual rights.
Now we're getting to the crux of the mandates, pure communism dressed up nicely as socialism. But don't worry, we can demonise the 'nutjobs' even though the vast majority of protesters are reasonable people that don't fall victim to groupthink.

Collective rights, no thanks, not for me.

So why do all anti vaxxers just shout out the same old talking points? "Vaccines are dangerous", "vaccines are ineffective", "Covid is not that much of a problem", "muh rights" etc?
So all of the 'nutjobs' are 'muh rights' ranters are they?

All you confirm is that a rational conversation can't be had with a leftwing Stalinist.

Do you support the removal of access to publicly funded healthcare for unvaccinated patients?
Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to an obese person that chugs KFC for breakfast, Maccas for lunch and Dominos for dinner?

Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to a type 2 diabetic that continues to drink 5 cans of coke a day and eats sausage rolls for brekky?

Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to a smoker, a drug addict, a mentally ill person?

They are all making choices that affect their health outcomes.

No I don't, not for any of those groups including the unvaccinated. Snookered yourself eh??



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Old 10th Feb 2022, 15:26
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Originally Posted by tossbag View Post
Vaccination rates are now at 95% first dose, 93% second dose and 43% booster in WA. The job is done. Yet the most draconian 'rules' are in WA. Why? You've got dream rates of vaccination.



OK, so vaccinated workers are not getting the covid? That's where your argument falls apart.



Now we're getting to the crux of the mandates, pure communism dressed up nicely as socialism. But don't worry, we can demonise the 'nutjobs' even though the vast majority of protesters are reasonable people that don't fall victim to groupthink.

Collective rights, no thanks, not for me.



So all of the 'nutjobs' are 'muh rights' ranters are they?

All you confirm is that a rational conversation can't be had with a leftwing Stalinist.



Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to an obese person that chugs KFC for breakfast, Maccas for lunch and Dominos for dinner?

Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to a type 2 diabetic that continues to drink 5 cans of coke a day and eats sausage rolls for brekky?

Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to a smoker, a drug addict, a mentally ill person?

They are all making choices that affect their health outcomes.

No I don't, not for any of those groups including the unvaccinated. Snookered yourself eh??
Are you vaccinated for anything else? If you are, you realise that thereís risks with any vaccines right? What percentage of Covid vaccine recipients are experiencing life altering complications? Is this of any significant difference compared to normal vaccines? Is it possible that you are only hearing about them, because of the massive rate of uptake of the vaccines?

I donít have a problem with people not receiving the vaccine, itís entirely their choice. But donít expect that there arenít consequences for not receiving it.

Sure Iím vaccinated for it, and yes you are right, I am still likely to be infected. But the last I heard (Iím not going to spend my valuable time researching it, because I am debating with you on a forum for pilots, not a thesis for a doctorate) was that the unvaccinated are far more likely to spread it, as opposed to a vaccinated person. So I donít want you out and about spreading it everywhere because I really donít want to end up sick and nor do I want my kids to get it, because they are not old enough to receive the vaccine.

So I care little for your loss of rights to drink beer at a pub, when the consequences could be my childís health.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 16:21
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Are you vaccinated for anything else?
Oh yessir I am. I travel regularly to 3rd world countries. When I do this I talk to my doctor about the risk involved. I also purchase goods that help keep me safe, like water purifying drink bottles etc. You see, I don't run to a state premier to 'keep me safe' I believe heavily in personal responsibility but I also believe I have a responsibility to contribute to the health of others less fortunate (or intelligent). How's that for a right wing, extremist nutjob? Doesn't fit the narrative too well does it?

If you are, you realise that thereís risks with any vaccines right?
I would have thought that that comes across in my posts?

What percentage of Covid vaccine recipients are experiencing life altering complications?
Significant enough for those that want to make a choice on the matter.

Is this of any significant difference compared to normal vaccines?


In my reading, yes.


Is it possible that you are only hearing about them, because of the massive rate of uptake of the vaccines?
Possible, absolutely. I'll ask you a question, is it possible that a compliant msm is not reporting on these instances? I'll give you one example, two of the three major news channels did not immediately report on the freedom rallies in Canberra, sorry, the right wing, extremist nutjob rallies.

I donít have a problem with people not receiving the vaccine. Itís entirely their choice. But donít expect that there arenít consequences for not receiving it.
I said exactly that in the first of my posts.

Sure Iím vaccinated for it, and yes you are right, I am still likely to be infected. But the last I heard (Iím not going to spend my valuable time researching it, because I am debating with you on a forum for pilots, not a thesis for a doctorate) was that the unvaccinated are far more likely to spread it, as opposed to a vaccinated person.
There are so many different published articles on this, I'm not going to argue this point either, but what I will say is that any doctor or scientist that doesn't comply with the msm and Daddy Dan and Mark, will be immediately labelled right wing, extremist nutjob doctors and scientists.

So I donít want you out and about spreading it everywhere because I really donít want to end up sick and nor do I want my kids to get it, because they are not old enough to receive the vaccine.
You're vaccinated mate, you get it, you'll get a few sniffles, if you're obese, you know, you put the food in your mouth, personal responsibility and all. But rest assured I won't have you thrown out on the street like our communist, sorry, socialist groupthink mate above. I'm not worried in the least about getting covid, not one bit, it's inevitable. I'm in the target range for weight, my choices are about staying as healthy as I can.

So I care little for your loss of rights to drink beer at a pub, when the consequences could be my childís health.
I haven't lost any rights, I'm vaccinated, but one thing I WILL NOT TAKE PART IN, IS THE VILE, I hate you because you didn't do what I did and get vaccinated. I hate you because you're a not groupthinker like me. Yeah/nah.

I'm not gunna get involved in the kids issue, other than one point, there are an increasing number of doctors, scientists even epidemiologists who are saying that the risk of covid to youngsters is much less than the vaccine. But I reckon you don't want to hear that, or have a bar of it. That's your choice, and your risk.
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 19:44
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What percentage of Covid vaccine recipients are experiencing life altering complications?
Just from the last 12 months.
I wonder if those 751 that died from the vaccine thought it was worth it. They might of had better odds of surviving covid instead.

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Old 10th Feb 2022, 19:53
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Old 10th Feb 2022, 20:13
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Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to an obese person that chugs KFC for breakfast, Maccas for lunch and Dominos for dinner?

Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to a type 2 diabetic that continues to drink 5 cans of coke a day and eats sausage rolls for brekky?

Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to a smoker, a drug addict, a mentally ill person?

They are all making choices that affect their health outcomes


Not being vaccinated affects health outcomes of OTHERS. I can't catch being fat over a beer from a fat pig,
I won't catch diabetes from a diabetic over a beer, I can't catch lung cancer from a smoker. over a beer etc etc. I CAN catch covid from a selfish anti vaxer over a beer. So YES, if
you are happy to be unprotected against a highly contagious virus, and if you are happy that your actions can put another in hospital, yes, you pay.

And all the anti vaxers who run the line about inadequate or rushed research and their concerns regarding possible effects - guarantee 99.99% of them will go to a GP for an ailment
and then happily toddle off to the chemist and shove down their throat the pill the doctor prescribed even though they've never ever heard of it.
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