Freedom March Graham Hood
I hate to break Godwin’s law but of course the situation in 1930s Europe has nothing to do with the current situation in Australia.
Interestingly, I've had a few fellow crew (pro vax) still attempt to make this comparison regarding vaccine mandates and the exclusion of the unvaccinated from restaurants etc.
Asside from the valid points raised by Dr Dre above, the biggest and glaringly obvious flaw in this comparison is that today's "persecuted" can attend a free medical clinic and have their "star of david" instantly removed and all privileges of society immediately reinstated.
Jews in Europe did not choose to wear the star.
There was no option for removal of the star until you were undressed in preparation for your "shower".
Folks, it’s now beyond time to leave this poor, misguided bloke alone. He has lost his career and his livelihood and I dare say, his licence, due to what I perceive is a mental illness. He needs professional help, not bagging. Stop!
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Mr Hood deserves the same support he showed his colleagues in 1989.
Mr Hood deserves the same support he showed his colleagues in 1989.
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Really? By the Victorian Government's own admission after being pressed on the issue, they have stopped conducting contact tracing yet have left the laws in place forcing people to still "check-in" when the activity is now absolutely pointless.
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Looks like you’re being triggered
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Obviously you still don't get it, retailers must still comply with enforcing this pointless "check-in" or risk crippling fines, please try seeing it from another point of view.
Soooooooo, the sheep that can't think for themselves resent those who can and do.
The unvaxxed are being descriminated against, they are being barred from a range of activities, locations and necessities that contribute to good mental health.
You're all convinced that anyone who does a bit of research, weighs up the risk of vaccination v covid and makes a decision are nutjobs. And how did you come to that conclusion? Dan Andrews media control unit told you they are. Doesn't matter that the vast majority of covid cases are mild flu like symptoms. But Dan's media control unit told you they are deserving of emergency powers.
Just how is an unvaccinated a threat to you? You're vaccinated against the disease aren't you? So how are they a threat to you? The mandates are nothing more than a punitive punishment against those who didn't tow the line. The new Australian, a compliant sheep, dobber and hater of anyone who doesn't groupthink.
Oh if a tenth of the resources were put into the real cause of death from covid, obesity and western lifestyle disease.
Disclaimer:
Tossbag:
- Vaccinated with one booster shot, believes in vaccination, does research and chose a vaccination that does not cause mycarditis as a side effect.
- Believes in freedom of choice, not threatened by a person who chooses not to vaccinate.
- Believes that choice comes with consequences.
The unvaxxed are being descriminated against, they are being barred from a range of activities, locations and necessities that contribute to good mental health.
You're all convinced that anyone who does a bit of research, weighs up the risk of vaccination v covid and makes a decision are nutjobs. And how did you come to that conclusion? Dan Andrews media control unit told you they are. Doesn't matter that the vast majority of covid cases are mild flu like symptoms. But Dan's media control unit told you they are deserving of emergency powers.
Just how is an unvaccinated a threat to you? You're vaccinated against the disease aren't you? So how are they a threat to you? The mandates are nothing more than a punitive punishment against those who didn't tow the line. The new Australian, a compliant sheep, dobber and hater of anyone who doesn't groupthink.
Oh if a tenth of the resources were put into the real cause of death from covid, obesity and western lifestyle disease.
Disclaimer:
Tossbag:
- Vaccinated with one booster shot, believes in vaccination, does research and chose a vaccination that does not cause mycarditis as a side effect.
- Believes in freedom of choice, not threatened by a person who chooses not to vaccinate.
- Believes that choice comes with consequences.
Just how is an unvaccinated a threat to you? You're vaccinated against the disease aren't you? So how are they a threat to you? The mandates are nothing more than a punitive punishment against those who didn't tow the line. The new Australian, a compliant sheep, dobber and hater of anyone who doesn't groupthink.
We already have vaccine mandates. You need to ensure your kids are immunised as per the childhood vaccination schedule or risk losing tax benefits and childcare access.
I see vaccine mandates as a prime example of collective rights vs individual rights. Protection of the society as a whole over the "rights" of individuals which may cause harm to society as a whole.
Soooooooo, the sheep that can't think for themselves resent those who can and do.
- Believes that choice comes with consequences.
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Why is it that you and others like you deliberately ignore this and try to smear people that believe in freedom of choice and the right to bodily autonomy?
Consider this, you may think your choice is better than others THIS TIME. What happens when further down the line you find yourself on the other side? I reckon your earlier dismissal of Niemöller‘s First They Came quote is a classic case of those that fail to learn the lessons of history being doomed to repeat it.
Your attitude towards bodily autonomy and freedom of choice is genuinely terrifying.
Vaccine mandates ensure the rate of vaccination is high amongst society.
More people getting vaccinated for critical jobs means less sickness at work, fewer shortages and more productivity. So business loves it, that's why many companies will fund flu vaccines for employees.
I see vaccine mandates as a prime example of collective rights vs individual rights.
Collective rights, no thanks, not for me.
So why do all anti vaxxers just shout out the same old talking points? "Vaccines are dangerous", "vaccines are ineffective", "Covid is not that much of a problem", "muh rights" etc?
All you confirm is that a rational conversation can't be had with a leftwing Stalinist.
Do you support the removal of access to publicly funded healthcare for unvaccinated patients?
Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to a type 2 diabetic that continues to drink 5 cans of coke a day and eats sausage rolls for brekky?
Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to a smoker, a drug addict, a mentally ill person?
They are all making choices that affect their health outcomes.
No I don't, not for any of those groups including the unvaccinated. Snookered yourself eh??
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Vaccination rates are now at 95% first dose, 93% second dose and 43% booster in WA. The job is done. Yet the most draconian 'rules' are in WA. Why? You've got dream rates of vaccination.
OK, so vaccinated workers are not getting the covid? That's where your argument falls apart.
Now we're getting to the crux of the mandates, pure communism dressed up nicely as socialism. But don't worry, we can demonise the 'nutjobs' even though the vast majority of protesters are reasonable people that don't fall victim to groupthink.
Collective rights, no thanks, not for me.
So all of the 'nutjobs' are 'muh rights' ranters are they?
All you confirm is that a rational conversation can't be had with a leftwing Stalinist.
Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to an obese person that chugs KFC for breakfast, Maccas for lunch and Dominos for dinner?
Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to a type 2 diabetic that continues to drink 5 cans of coke a day and eats sausage rolls for brekky?
Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to a smoker, a drug addict, a mentally ill person?
They are all making choices that affect their health outcomes.
No I don't, not for any of those groups including the unvaccinated. Snookered yourself eh??
OK, so vaccinated workers are not getting the covid? That's where your argument falls apart.
Now we're getting to the crux of the mandates, pure communism dressed up nicely as socialism. But don't worry, we can demonise the 'nutjobs' even though the vast majority of protesters are reasonable people that don't fall victim to groupthink.
Collective rights, no thanks, not for me.
So all of the 'nutjobs' are 'muh rights' ranters are they?
All you confirm is that a rational conversation can't be had with a leftwing Stalinist.
Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to an obese person that chugs KFC for breakfast, Maccas for lunch and Dominos for dinner?
Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to a type 2 diabetic that continues to drink 5 cans of coke a day and eats sausage rolls for brekky?
Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to a smoker, a drug addict, a mentally ill person?
They are all making choices that affect their health outcomes.
No I don't, not for any of those groups including the unvaccinated. Snookered yourself eh??
I don’t have a problem with people not receiving the vaccine, it’s entirely their choice. But don’t expect that there aren’t consequences for not receiving it.
Sure I’m vaccinated for it, and yes you are right, I am still likely to be infected. But the last I heard (I’m not going to spend my valuable time researching it, because I am debating with you on a forum for pilots, not a thesis for a doctorate) was that the unvaccinated are far more likely to spread it, as opposed to a vaccinated person. So I don’t want you out and about spreading it everywhere because I really don’t want to end up sick and nor do I want my kids to get it, because they are not old enough to receive the vaccine.
So I care little for your loss of rights to drink beer at a pub, when the consequences could be my child’s health.
Are you vaccinated for anything else?
If you are, you realise that there’s risks with any vaccines right?
What percentage of Covid vaccine recipients are experiencing life altering complications?
Is this of any significant difference compared to normal vaccines?
In my reading, yes.
Is it possible that you are only hearing about them, because of the massive rate of uptake of the vaccines?
I don’t have a problem with people not receiving the vaccine. It’s entirely their choice. But don’t expect that there aren’t consequences for not receiving it.
Sure I’m vaccinated for it, and yes you are right, I am still likely to be infected. But the last I heard (I’m not going to spend my valuable time researching it, because I am debating with you on a forum for pilots, not a thesis for a doctorate) was that the unvaccinated are far more likely to spread it, as opposed to a vaccinated person.
So I don’t want you out and about spreading it everywhere because I really don’t want to end up sick and nor do I want my kids to get it, because they are not old enough to receive the vaccine.
So I care little for your loss of rights to drink beer at a pub, when the consequences could be my child’s health.
I'm not gunna get involved in the kids issue, other than one point, there are an increasing number of doctors, scientists even epidemiologists who are saying that the risk of covid to youngsters is much less than the vaccine. But I reckon you don't want to hear that, or have a bar of it. That's your choice, and your risk.
Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to an obese person that chugs KFC for breakfast, Maccas for lunch and Dominos for dinner?
Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to a type 2 diabetic that continues to drink 5 cans of coke a day and eats sausage rolls for brekky?
Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to a smoker, a drug addict, a mentally ill person?
They are all making choices that affect their health outcomes
Not being vaccinated affects health outcomes of OTHERS. I can't catch being fat over a beer from a fat pig,
I won't catch diabetes from a diabetic over a beer, I can't catch lung cancer from a smoker. over a beer etc etc. I CAN catch covid from a selfish anti vaxer over a beer. So YES, if
you are happy to be unprotected against a highly contagious virus, and if you are happy that your actions can put another in hospital, yes, you pay.
And all the anti vaxers who run the line about inadequate or rushed research and their concerns regarding possible effects - guarantee 99.99% of them will go to a GP for an ailment
and then happily toddle off to the chemist and shove down their throat the pill the doctor prescribed even though they've never ever heard of it.
Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to a type 2 diabetic that continues to drink 5 cans of coke a day and eats sausage rolls for brekky?
Do you support the withdrawal of healthcare to a smoker, a drug addict, a mentally ill person?
They are all making choices that affect their health outcomes
Not being vaccinated affects health outcomes of OTHERS. I can't catch being fat over a beer from a fat pig,
I won't catch diabetes from a diabetic over a beer, I can't catch lung cancer from a smoker. over a beer etc etc. I CAN catch covid from a selfish anti vaxer over a beer. So YES, if
you are happy to be unprotected against a highly contagious virus, and if you are happy that your actions can put another in hospital, yes, you pay.
And all the anti vaxers who run the line about inadequate or rushed research and their concerns regarding possible effects - guarantee 99.99% of them will go to a GP for an ailment
and then happily toddle off to the chemist and shove down their throat the pill the doctor prescribed even though they've never ever heard of it.
