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Old 18th Nov 2021, 23:21
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post

How many academy and QFPP course have graduated? It would be interesting to know how many of the previous graduates have been offered positions thus far.
Many are working as bag chuckers so there somewhat working for qantas?
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Old 19th Nov 2021, 00:56
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Selection for the ‘academy’ (note, it’s NOT a Cadet course) is done external to Qantas by FTA. Whilst there is some advance standing given into the QLink recruitment process (note, QLink recruitment, not mainline recruitment) one still needs to jump through the hoops for QLink to be offered employment.

How many academy and QFPP course have graduated? It would be interesting to know how many of the previous graduates have been offered positions thus far.
Which then begs the question why would you bother? You might has well get cheaper flight training elsewhere and get some experience and apply to QLink (or Rex) under your own steam. Personally I still believe you are still better off playing employers off against each other rather than being locked into one your whole career.
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Old 19th Nov 2021, 03:19
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Which then begs the question why would you bother? You might has well get cheaper flight training elsewhere and get some experience and apply to QLink (or Rex) under your own steam. Personally I still believe you are still better off playing employers off against each other rather than being locked into one your whole career.
If group wide recruitment prioritises academy graduates then non academy trainees will be seriously disadvantaged.

As there hasn’t been much recruitment in the last two years we really can’t make a judgement yet, this will change over the next year or two so some judgement can be made when we see if/how academy graduates are employed.

Those who were on the first courses at the academy could possibly be in a very strong position career wise, we shall wait and see if their decision pays off

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Old 19th Nov 2021, 21:22
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Personally I still believe you are still better off playing employers off against each other rather than being locked into one your whole career.
Exactly! And no better time than now.

If it wasn’t for the hordes of guys and girls wanting a “easy” path to the big shiny, we would probably have a better industry. Supply and demand…you supply cheap labour, that’s what the company will demand.


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Old 19th Nov 2021, 21:31
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Yep. Learnt long ago from someone wise: There's no security in being employed. There's security in being employable.
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Old 20th Nov 2021, 05:09
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Qantas has always recruited from a variety of sources. I suspect they will continue to do so.

IMHO the current QF training school was opened as a response to either an actual or forecast drop in the numbers of suitable applicants to QF’s subsidiary airlines.

When your long term plan is a continued downward trend in pilot pay and conditions, it’s important that supply and demand never start working against you.
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 22:57
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Originally Posted by Derfred View Post
Qantas has always recruited from a variety of sources. I suspect they will continue to do so.

IMHO the current QF training school was opened as a response to either an actual or forecast drop in the numbers of suitable applicants to QF’s subsidiary airlines.

When your long term plan is a continued downward trend in pilot pay and conditions, it’s important that supply and demand never start working against you.
But that’s the rub isn’t it. Downward pressure on pay and conditions makes the whole “career” unattractive not just the company. Supply and demand cannot be hacked in the long term and whether they like to admit it or not, long term is the game airlines need to play if they want to stay in the game.
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 23:21
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China has proven you can just mass produce pilots at reasonable standard, and they do it at incredible rates like 10,000 per year. All that while still paying them relatively poorly, although well for China. Yes they will employ a few expats over time for exorbitant rates to fill gaps, but that's definitely the minority.

If you think pilot pay will somehow return to the heydays and gravy trains of the 70s through 90s, I think you are very misguided. Other industries employee unions control the tap, in aviation the airlines have almost complete control.

If you can't even negotiate scope clauses to prevent white ant-ing then you have no chance to build T & Cs at majors.
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Old 22nd Nov 2021, 02:42
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If the job was actually recognised as a profession it would help. As it stands, the job we call “airline pilot” is seen as more of a pastime or hobby that got out of control. Airline Captain or ATPL won’t even get you a tram ride home let alone any real world T&Cs.

I wouldn’t call mass produced Chinese products “good”. They may fulfil the role well while the operation remains on the rails but that’s about it. Fast, cheap or good, you get a choice of two.
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Old 22nd Nov 2021, 03:05
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China has proven you can just mass produce pilots at reasonable standard, and they do it at incredible rates like 10,000 per year. All that while still paying them relatively poorly, although well for China. Yes they will employ a few expats over time for exorbitant rates to fill gaps, but that's definitely the minority.
Except that those 10 000 have the entire cost of training paid for by the airline. Meanwhile in Australia pilots have to go and find $100K+ personally to become a pilot. To then fight your way through GA or be locked into a cadetship with no real hope of anything meaningful.

Personally this is what will ultimately drive up pilot salaries. The cost of training now is ridiculous for the salary on offer and even if you get into a jet airline eventually the pay is hardly worth it given what it cost you to get there and the risk you are taking. You will also have to compete with foreigners who will be brought into the country to suppress salaries.
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Old 22nd Nov 2021, 03:41
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Your comment also answered why T&C wont rise. In Australia there is a willing stream of those who would pay to get into the job, the airlines have only just started to consider paying for training up pilots. They will pay for training before any real rise in pay occurs. There's still pay for your own endorsement companies around, until they are all gone and cadetships are company funded, then you will see change as there will be no other option than to pay more to keep things moving.
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Old 22nd Nov 2021, 04:04
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
If the job was actually recognised as a profession it would help. As it stands, the job we call “airline pilot” is seen as more of a pastime or hobby that got out of control. Airline Captain or ATPL won’t even get you a tram ride home let alone any real world T&Cs.
You know it’s funny, I participated in a government survey recently and they asked whether I had any formal education etc. They didn’t consider a pilot license formal education

So you’re right, it’s not a profession and the chances of getting paid ridiculous amounts of money to be able to do it are pathetic at best.
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Old 22nd Nov 2021, 04:09
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You know it’s funny, I participated in a government survey recently and they asked whether I had any formal education etc. They didn’t consider a pilot license formal education

So you’re right, it’s not a profession and the chances of getting paid ridiculous amounts of money to be able to do it are pathetic at best.
Why should it? You can attain an airline position with effectively 1 year of training and a year 10 education. Its hardly rocket surgery is it?
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Old 22nd Nov 2021, 09:03
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Why should it? You can attain an airline position with effectively 1 year of training and a year 10 education. Its hardly rocket surgery is it?
And in that one year you learn exactly bugger all beyond the minimum required to not have an accident while under the close supervision of a Captain.
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Old 22nd Nov 2021, 09:47
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Why should it? You can attain an airline position with effectively 1 year of training and a year 10 education. Its hardly rocket surgery is it?
That's exactly what I was trying to say dopey
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