New 'Bonza' LCC launches middle 2022 with B737 MAX

[Wizofoz]

Originally Posted by Global Aviator

Do you really think they are going to stick to that plan? They may just do that and, who knows. However you have an AOC, you have MMmmmmaaaaxxxxxxx a few variations to the AOC and off you go.

Yeah tell im he’s dreamin son, or is he?

The point is I reckon if they do pull the right routes with the frequency then they will fly. Look at the free marketing to date and Shazza ain’t even flown.

So, if they completely change their business plan and do basically the opposite to what they've said, including abandoning one of their two bases, they will be on a winner.

Agreed...

[Deano969]

Originally Posted by Wizofoz

Problem is you're talking about the "to" not the "from". Melbourne-Bali, perhaps. But the only other option would be MCY (does MCY have the capability of international flights?). The problem is Bonza are simply ignoring well over half the Australian population.

MCY certainly does have the capability if international ops
It already has seasonal flights to AKL

As for what they are planning, just look at their model ULCC
Bail, Fiji, NZ, Gold Coast, Cairns would be their likely targets
I'd reckon they have JQ firmly in their sights
As far as MCY goes, I'd put money on that a few of their routes will fail, not all though...
Newcastle, Cairns, Townsville, Avalon, Melbourne and Mildura should stand a chance of succeeding, some of the others may not do as well
They may have also missed an opportunity by not throwing Canberra and Hobart into the start up mix
That said, they will quietly build their fleet and staff and do a snap redeployment and perhaps catch JQ with their pants down
I don't think JQ can match $50 per hour flight time as a fare for very long......

[43Inches]

Bali and Fiji have to be approved by those nations to get in limited seat tranches available to international destinations outside of national carriers. If they were going to target the holiday destinations, why not launch those internal ones, they could easily run Melbourne or Adelaide to the GC with little restraint on slots etc. And trying to blindside an incumbent requires some form of pre-launch advertising otherwise no one will know you are running that route and you wont 'steal' any clientele. Pretty sure there is a prayer factor in this operation that VA or QF will hit a financial wall and open up the domestic market, then they suddenly switch tactics to trunk domestic routes with an established fleet.

I don't think JQ can match $50 per hour flight time as a fare for very long......

Jetstar has market power of scale, there is no way Bonza can match operating costs with Jetstar until they get at least half as big and even then they would need to have absolutely rubbish conditions to do so considering J* is cross subsidised by the QF group.

[Lead Balloon]

As a matter of interest, Deano969, do you know how much Canberra airport charges for:

• A 737 movement?
• A passenger/baggage check-in service desk space in the terminal?

[Mr_App]

I have seen they have been advertising for many engineering positions within the last few weeks. Might be a hint on where the AOC shortcomings are, ie-engineering.

[1a sound asleep]

They now have 4 737MAX painted in their colours. The lack of progress is actually now becoming either really embarrassing or really scary

IF an embarrassment from either an overly vexatious CASA or a deliberate attempt to deter new operators then I fear for the future

[red_dirt]

Originally Posted by 1a sound asleep

They now have 4 737MAX painted in their colours. The lack of progress is actually now becoming either really embarrassing or really scary

IF an embarrassment from either an overly vexatious CASA or a deliberate attempt to deter new operators then I fear for the future

how do you know there is no progress?

[PoppaJo]

The boss stated in September to the media he had a "very long CASA to do list". Not something that is done overnight and would likely take a good few months to get corrected. However that can go two ways, and I have seen a few operators do this. Either they rush/tick and flick....try to do it all as soon as possible, in this case, the holiday season is approaching $$$$. Or they invest in time and don't go back until they have all ducks in a row. The aim is not to get a second "to do list", which then becomes a third, forth and so on...chews up months and months.

I wouldn't be concerned just yet, seems to be progressing. If nothing has moved in say 6 months, then sure, they likely have some major problems.

[KRUSTY 34]

Heard them on Brisbane Centre yesterday.

Proving flight?

[pocker pipty]

Was in Cns last week

[PoppaJo]

Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34

Proving flight?

I asked the question and that is a negative.

Historically a proving flight would involve Melbourne so I’d expect that to be hint when it happens.

[Deano969]

Interesting
Looks like VH-UBI has been returned to leaser

[john_tullamarine]

It has always been thus with CASA and its antecedents. If you have all your stuff in neat piles, a very detailed and convincing statement of compliance to lead everyone through the regulatory maze, and appropriate people in appropriate positions, then the path will be relatively smooth. Plenty of examples over the years where it went so.

If not, then expect rough sailing. Again, far more examples over the years where it went so.

I have no insider information re Bonza so the above is quite generic and not directed at the proposed operator specifically.

[big buddah]

They should have done a NZ AOC and used the SAM to their advantage.

[Hothighhungover]

Originally Posted by big buddah

They should have done a NZ AOC and used the SAM to their advantage.

Very true. They should just leave a few aircraft in NZ while they are there and fly domestic. Anyone tried to book a domestic flight in NZ recently?

[PPRuNeUser0198]

They continue to recruit corporate staff so they must be very confident of receiving approvals soon...

[PoppaJo]

Originally Posted by T-Vasis

They continue to recruit corporate staff so they must be very confident of receiving approvals soon...

Would expect a week or two of heavy flying before any proving fight, looks like no flight ops in the last fortnight. They might get caught with the CASA Xmas shutdown it appears, would have been good if they got operating for the holidays considering the others are taking punters to the cleaners this festive season.

[sid-star]

Any NAA has every right to expect any start-up operator entering the aviation system to submit an AOC application which complies 100 % with the Act / Rules / Regulations and be properly resourced, both financially and having experienced and competent senior persons to ensure all the mandatory regulations are met. There are no short -cuts to entering the aviation system and it is extremely thorough for good reason.

I am sure Bonza will take to the skies in the coming months and will have CASA's full attention for a while.

[43Inches]

Originally Posted by sid-star

Any NAA has every right to expect any start-up operator entering the aviation system to submit an AOC application which complies 100 % with the Act / Rules / Regulations and be properly resourced, both financially and having experienced and competent senior persons to ensure all the mandatory regulations are met. There are no short -cuts to entering the aviation system and it is extremely thorough for good reason.

I am sure Bonza will take to the skies in the coming months and will have CASA's full attention for a while.

Except that aviation in Australia is not 'thorough' it is 'particular'. It's not about what you present but the manner in which it is presented and how it comes across. AvMed is a good example, where all they are looking for is words that match their tables, even if it's irrelevant to the condition, ie they are not looking for the doctors opinion but a data set they compare to a chart. Even if the worlds best doctor said you were fighting fit, CASA would want it in some exhaustive table and reports with everything that does not matter laid out, except the one main thing whether the person is safe. Existing operators know what CASA are looking for so know what to present and in what format, therefore they pass quickly.

[Icarus2001]

Any NAA has every right to expect any start-up operator entering the aviation system to submit an AOC application which complies 100 % with the Act / Rules / Regulations and be properly resourced,

Thank you for stating the bleeding obvious, do you or have you worked for CASA?

The issue is HOW the application complies. CASA delegates have their own interpretations of the rules, as many on here are aware.
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