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New 'Bonza' LCC launches middle 2022 with B737 MAX

Old 9th Jun 2022, 10:46
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo View Post
Having been apart of a AOC process before, the issue that I, and others also have talked about, is the Parc/Bonza relationship and getting a AOC approved. Things become incredibly complex should you wish to outsource the entire flight operation, the only people on the Bonza payroll being a dozen or two up in MCY. You could have the best brains in both, that’s not the issue here, nobody claimed these people are idiots, far from it, but nobody has outsourced a safety and training department as such, to a third party. That is why this is being held up, from what I have heard, and exactly as I expected. So perhaps Bonza manages the Safety and Training departments? Again, involves incredible detail from Canberra.

Who is accountable and responsible for the long list of things that Canberra is looking at. Is it Parc or Bonza?

Money is irrelevant. You can throw as much cash at the process as you want, and as I have seen before, that doesn’t exactly stop the questions and responses asked to you from our friends in Canberra. It gets to a point, where you just don’t bother and walk away. Much more going on behind the scenes, don’t get sucked in to all the rainbows and lollipops being pushed out from marketing departments.
How is this any different to what Qantas used to do with Cobham/NJS. Cobham was responsible for the AOC and Crew on Qantas owned aircraft.
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 10:47
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I hate to be picky… but it’s aircraft..aircraft has no plural…like sheep. There are no sheeps. I apologise if English is your second language.
no problems, it’s actually my third language 😎
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 12:05
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
How is this any different to what Qantas used to do with Cobham/NJS. Cobham was responsible for the AOC and Crew on Qantas owned aircraft.
In this case Parc is not responsible for the AOC. Purely an agency supplying crew. Bonza AOC with Flight operations ‘operated by Parc’ is what they are trying to do. They have hired a safety and training manager directly as part of the AOC process, everyone underneath will work for CAE. The whole idea is to bring down costs, few on the payroll in HQ, and outsource the remainder of the operation to a third party including all checking, training, safety departments.

Agencies are used all over the world, nothing new, however remains to be seen how far CASA will let that stretch here.
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 20:34
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Time will tell when they get a manual together who is responsible. on the other hand, I really can’t see this getting airborne this year.
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 21:30
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I might join them for the fact the Pilot uniform doesn’t have a tie :-)
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 22:40
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion View Post
I might join them for the fact the Pilot uniform doesn’t have a tie :-)
I see they've announced cabin crew uniforms. Mix and match apparently. Have the pilot uniform been announced too? I'm sure it won't have that undersized marshmallow man style hat.
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 01:14
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Originally Posted by HappyBandit View Post
I see they've announced cabin crew uniforms. Mix and match apparently. Have the pilot uniform been announced too? I'm sure it won't have that undersized marshmallow man style hat.


The 'Legends' can wear it their way...




IN PHOTOS: our newest airline reveals its very cool 'Aussie-first' uniforms

I wonder if they'll draw the line at a pair of these:


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Old 10th Jun 2022, 01:25
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The “wear it your way” range, featuring Australian aviation’s first-ever on-trend white custom sneakers and cotton T-shirts, allows Bonza staff, called “Legends”, to let their individual personalities shine with various “mix and match” options.
Legends.

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Old 10th Jun 2022, 01:38
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
Time will tell when they get a manual together who is responsible. on the other hand, I really can’t see this getting airborne this year.
Cant speak for their timeline on flying readiness but the simple fact is the Australian market is already over saturated with airlines, we don't have the demand/population other countries have. The odds of Rex/Bonza being around in 12-24 months time is realistically quite low. Wish them the best, more jobs is always a great thing...but for the folks jumping ship from elsewhere to these places, think carefully before handing in that resignation from wherever you are. Tiger/Air Australia/Strategic/Oz Jet/all the rest have tried it, it just doesn't work.
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 01:42
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A classic quote from Asian airline boss when Tiger announced its plans down under ‘They must be on drugs or something’
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 02:33
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The whole uniform debacle is very disappointing to see from my perspective. As pilots we are held to a high standard from operational perspective and grooming. To have this joke of an outfit dress their employees in this way is taking away any professionalism this industry is supposed to have. I hate seeing police being allowed to show tattoos makes them look like…..il stop there my brother will kick my butt. Bad enough they’re wearing mix and match make you feel good uniform if you call it that, but, I do not want to see cabin crew and pilots walking around with tattoo sleeves.
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 02:41
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Those flash white sneakers won’t be so white after a wet walk around.
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 03:02
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
The whole uniform debacle is very disappointing to see from my perspective. As pilots we are held to a high standard from operational perspective and grooming. To have this joke of an outfit dress their employees in this way is taking away any professionalism this industry is supposed to have. I hate seeing police being allowed to show tattoos makes them look like…..il stop there my brother will kick my butt. Bad enough they’re wearing mix and match make you feel good uniform if you call it that, but, I do not want to see cabin crew and pilots walking around with tattoo sleeves.
Excessive Grooming ≠ Professionalism. It's time to move on. Shaving my face or wearing a tie certainly doesn't make me a better pilot. We're not ******* superheroes.
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 03:50
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We're not ******* superheroes.

Speak for yourself. Looking like an adult to perform an adult role shouldn’t be too much of chore.
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 04:10
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post
We're not ******* superheroes.

Speak for yourself. Looking like an adult to perform an adult role shouldn’t be too much of chore.
So every other industry has grooming wrong?
I'm not saying go to work looking like a hobo, but perhaps the grooming standard at which the airline industry holds itself to is outdated and restrictive. It's time for an update.
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 04:17
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Why does the industry think only way to start an aoc in Australia is to get a group of up and comers and let them try , fail and try again ? Waste of time and money and leaves CASA non plussed ? If a professional outfit can set it up in half the time , at a fixed cost and hand it over to a responsible in house team , would that not be better ?
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 05:08
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It looks like the pool of unemployed baristas is about to shrink slightly (for a while at least).
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 05:22
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Baristas? Two of those dresses look straight from a year 8 high school catalog, the rest are passable for an IT workplace maybe 15 years ago. Crew are going to luv trying to keep those white sneakers clean, would've gone black.
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 05:23
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Originally Posted by BuzzBox View Post


The 'Legends' can wear it their way...




IN PHOTOS: our newest airline reveals its very cool 'Aussie-first' uniforms

I wonder if they'll draw the line at a pair of these:

Wait til the crew start whinging about having their pokies on display through the white shirts when the cabin is too cold or they get wet walking across the tarmac. Can’t see the white t-shirts lasting too long.
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 06:09
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Good god there are so many smug aviation experts on this page.
Reminds me of the same miserable comments when Oxley morphed into Impulse then Jetstar ("they'll never get jets" "There's only room for Qantas and Ansett") or when Branson tried to start an airline.
Maybe the current Bonza plan appears a little quirky but it is only the current plan. Nothing is fixed in concrete and those who don't reinvent themselves usually eventually shrivel and die.
And uniforms FFS who cares! I've been wearing the same boring crap for decades, basically no different now to what it was in the 1950's.
Time for a refreshing change and time to stop being know-it-all armchair critics

(However, there does appear to be a black hair hanging off the bottom of the lower left bathers, so in these hirsute-conscious times, that might need a bit of attention!)
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