Jetstar and Ballina again
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Actually some of the newer RPT jets in Australia do have ADSB-IN. Amongst other things we use to tag other AC & pull their GS for separation on final. But like you say, Sad it is not widespread yet.
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How many light aircraft in Australia currently have ADSB-OUT that don’t also have Mode C?
If the lighties start to install el-cheapo dashboard ADSB-OUT without Mode C, then maybe that is something the airlines could look at. But at the moment they don’t have it because there is no point. Nothing tight-arse about electing not to install a $300K (guessing) option in every jet for zero safety improvement.
As for the other poster’s comment about 737’s and 320’s being half-decade old jets - and I can only speak for the 737NG - it’s avionics are on par with the 777/787. The lack of ADSB-in is by choice, not heritage.
A subject beyond my ageing memory is that Australia somewhat rejected the ADSB-IN concept that was introduced in the USA. Someone with better knowledge may be able to fill us in on that.
The latest version of Jepessen FlightDeck Pro which runs on airline pilot iPads has the ability to display ADSB-IN traffic information, although it requires an aircraft receiver data connection to make it happen. On-dash el-cheapo ADSB-IN receivers don’t meet certification requirements in airliners, sorry. But that might reduce the $300K per aircraft to $100K if they decide to go that way (guessing again).
This is an Australian thread.
How many light aircraft in Australia currently have ADSB-OUT that don’t also have Mode C?
If the lighties start to install el-cheapo dashboard ADSB-OUT without Mode C, then maybe that is something the airlines could look at. But at the moment they don’t have it because there is no point. Nothing tight-arse about electing not to install a $300K (guessing) option in every jet for zero safety improvement.
As for the other poster’s comment about 737’s and 320’s being half-decade old jets - and I can only speak for the 737NG - it’s avionics are on par with the 777/787. The lack of ADSB-in is by choice, not heritage.
A subject beyond my ageing memory is that Australia somewhat rejected the ADSB-IN concept that was introduced in the USA. Someone with better knowledge may be able to fill us in on that.
The latest version of Jepessen FlightDeck Pro which runs on airline pilot iPads has the ability to display ADSB-IN traffic information, although it requires an aircraft receiver data connection to make it happen. On-dash el-cheapo ADSB-IN receivers don’t meet certification requirements in airliners, sorry. But that might reduce the $300K per aircraft to $100K if they decide to go that way (guessing again).
How many light aircraft in Australia currently have ADSB-OUT that don’t also have Mode C?
If the lighties start to install el-cheapo dashboard ADSB-OUT without Mode C, then maybe that is something the airlines could look at. But at the moment they don’t have it because there is no point. Nothing tight-arse about electing not to install a $300K (guessing) option in every jet for zero safety improvement.
As for the other poster’s comment about 737’s and 320’s being half-decade old jets - and I can only speak for the 737NG - it’s avionics are on par with the 777/787. The lack of ADSB-in is by choice, not heritage.
A subject beyond my ageing memory is that Australia somewhat rejected the ADSB-IN concept that was introduced in the USA. Someone with better knowledge may be able to fill us in on that.
The latest version of Jepessen FlightDeck Pro which runs on airline pilot iPads has the ability to display ADSB-IN traffic information, although it requires an aircraft receiver data connection to make it happen. On-dash el-cheapo ADSB-IN receivers don’t meet certification requirements in airliners, sorry. But that might reduce the $300K per aircraft to $100K if they decide to go that way (guessing again).
$300k out of a $100m aeroplane, tell me that’s not being tight arse, when you have a huge improvement in situational awareness.
Drops, who do you think would care if a smoking crater could have been prevented if only it fit the funding model? There exists a real, present danger mixing transport jets with GA aircraft at busy uncontrolled airports. Either the industry should stop operating there or the government should, crazy though it might seem, take steps to address the need. They might even be able to deflect attention from their lying cow defence minister.
A surveillance job for CASA. A targeted Line Operations Safety Audit (LOSA) for jet operations into Ballina.
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'Slight' drift.....
W H A A A T ? ?
Re ' TAAATS/Eurocat can't even replay all the possible data. The functionality exists, ASA didn't tick the option box'.
Now, there's an indicator of the 'mentality' of the time.........
Even in 'De Ole Days' of de OLD technology, the various tapes were kept for 30 days, under 'lock and key', .....then if not required they were re-cycled.
As was ALL 'paper-work' - Flight Progress Strips, 'Scratch Pads (Aeronautical Telecommunications Record - CA 71s to us, later revised to AF 71.....No difference) And any Journals from Supervisor desks - these were kept 'permanently'..
And the 'Golden Rule' - 'Thou Shall Not Rub Out'.......A line to be put thru any 'mistakes' and the correct info to be inserted alongside....Just in case......
Doesn't help 'Ballina type situations' at all, just sayin'.........
W H A A A T ? ?
Re ' TAAATS/Eurocat can't even replay all the possible data. The functionality exists, ASA didn't tick the option box'.
Now, there's an indicator of the 'mentality' of the time.........
Even in 'De Ole Days' of de OLD technology, the various tapes were kept for 30 days, under 'lock and key', .....then if not required they were re-cycled.
As was ALL 'paper-work' - Flight Progress Strips, 'Scratch Pads (Aeronautical Telecommunications Record - CA 71s to us, later revised to AF 71.....No difference) And any Journals from Supervisor desks - these were kept 'permanently'..
And the 'Golden Rule' - 'Thou Shall Not Rub Out'.......A line to be put thru any 'mistakes' and the correct info to be inserted alongside....Just in case......
Doesn't help 'Ballina type situations' at all, just sayin'.........
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Has anyone had a look at the free iPhone APP called 'AvTraffic'. In most cases it identifies the Flight Number/Rego. Expand out the range to 30 miles and watch the list of aircraft in flight build.
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Griffo, audio and paper records are still retained for 30 days. Recording of data from the TAAATS consoles is likewise retained for 30 days but the replay doesn't fully duplicate what the controller was seeing - from memory aircraft label positions aren't duplicated for instance.
Who do you think pays for infrastructure?
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And yet another week gone by with total silence from Airservices. I wonder what is going on behind those closed doors? Not much if any consultation for sure!
I believe they have now run out of time for plan A and are now trying to put something on the table that they might be able to squeeze in for the December introduction.
I believe they have now run out of time for plan A and are now trying to put something on the table that they might be able to squeeze in for the December introduction.
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Yes I tried that but given all what is said about Ballina, I didn’t expect to have to go back to 2017 or 2016.
Maybe the incidents didn’t make it to ATSB??
Cheers,
Gf
