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What is next?
May be next time they stop ALL never married women (non muslim of course) and take them to do a test to see if they had sex before. The hunch is that most western women had sex before marriage (Or at least I hope we do) and then stone them.
I am sure most people here will agree it will be OK.
BTW I always thought that when you are on the International part of the Airport International law apply, but something new I learned today.
And as far as I know you can say no to a X-ray on most civilized countries or any intrusive procedure (they will just hold you till you ****, with a judge order if it is more than (normally 48h)
The problem is that we have a XXI century law and customs rubbing with VI-VII century customs and a totalitarian system/law (One of the reason for me not to travel to the DPRK) The thing is that in this VI century countries NORMALLY nothing happens and people think is OK (Like going on a vacation to DUBAI, WTF!) and usually is but when things go wrong (have an accident with the wrong person, cut another driver on the road, given the finger, TOUCH, etc) they go VERY WRONG under their law and you are in their country!
Before the extremist Muslim try to beheaded me, It can happened in other countries, for example 2 gay married persons entering Nigeria or Turkey (it is a secular country also)
I am sure most people here will agree it will be OK.
BTW I always thought that when you are on the International part of the Airport International law apply, but something new I learned today.
And as far as I know you can say no to a X-ray on most civilized countries or any intrusive procedure (they will just hold you till you ****, with a judge order if it is more than (normally 48h)
The problem is that we have a XXI century law and customs rubbing with VI-VII century customs and a totalitarian system/law (One of the reason for me not to travel to the DPRK) The thing is that in this VI century countries NORMALLY nothing happens and people think is OK (Like going on a vacation to DUBAI, WTF!) and usually is but when things go wrong (have an accident with the wrong person, cut another driver on the road, given the finger, TOUCH, etc) they go VERY WRONG under their law and you are in their country!
Before the extremist Muslim try to beheaded me, It can happened in other countries, for example 2 gay married persons entering Nigeria or Turkey (it is a secular country also)
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Yes I have, and no I am not... Yes I have heard of some of these very disturbing cases, however I can see things improving.
Let me ask you a question, if I may: how do you account for the fact that very many "Western" women from liberal democracies (Aus/NZ, UK, Germany, USA, Canada, ...) have chosen of their own free will to move to Qatar and other similar countries, and then settle there for many years?
Let me ask you a question, if I may: how do you account for the fact that very many "Western" women from liberal democracies (Aus/NZ, UK, Germany, USA, Canada, ...) have chosen of their own free will to move to Qatar and other similar countries, and then settle there for many years?
In Arab countries, the rule is '' My country my rules like it or leave''. so I really don't see them changing there mentality in the near future.
I still don't understand one thing about this story. Why did the Australian women accept to get inspected? why didn't they call the embassy?
would you pull down your pants only because they asked you?
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1 Do not EVER blame the victim in any situation.
2 I guess you never see the experiment where people shock other people when a figure of authority says so
If I would have to guess they were in shock of what is going on and they went along because the police said so and in most places have GUNS. I never mess with the police when abroad, at home.... may be a bit more (given the state of criminalization of the population and broader powers to police not even at home anymore, best avoid and no comment, lawyer)
2 I guess you never see the experiment where people shock other people when a figure of authority says so
If I would have to guess they were in shock of what is going on and they went along because the police said so and in most places have GUNS. I never mess with the police when abroad, at home.... may be a bit more (given the state of criminalization of the population and broader powers to police not even at home anymore, best avoid and no comment, lawyer)
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1 Do not EVER blame the victim in any situation.
2 I guess you never see the experiment where people shock other people when a figure of authority says so
If I would have to guess they were in shock of what is going on and they went along because the police said so and in most places have GUNS. I never mess with the police when abroad, at home.... may be a bit more (given the state of criminalization of the population and broader powers to police not even at home anymore, best avoid and no comment, lawyer)
2 I guess you never see the experiment where people shock other people when a figure of authority says so
If I would have to guess they were in shock of what is going on and they went along because the police said so and in most places have GUNS. I never mess with the police when abroad, at home.... may be a bit more (given the state of criminalization of the population and broader powers to police not even at home anymore, best avoid and no comment, lawyer)
KeyPilot
KeyPilot,
You are out of control! In some ways I get what you are trying to drive at, but in our society it is not acceptable. They shouldn’t carry Westerners if they don’t agree. Imagine if we forced an Arab to do something in OUR country, outrage!!
You are out of control! In some ways I get what you are trying to drive at, but in our society it is not acceptable. They shouldn’t carry Westerners if they don’t agree. Imagine if we forced an Arab to do something in OUR country, outrage!!
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Focous
This is turning into a western values against Extremist Muslim values.
The TYRANNY OF THE MINORITY (jews,blacks,muslim,LGBTXYZ...) is a different story and it came with the politically correctness that I can give 2 hoots about. I try to call things what they are and if you do not like it, YOU have a problem not me.
And I also get KeyPilot, in fact playing the devil;s advocate is a good way to get to the bottom of things.
You can not force a sobering country to do what you want, but you could force it on the reciprocal agreement (specially because they are on the international side!) Example: In case of problem we go with the law of the country you are from or coming from.
I do not think most people know how far things can go wrong in some countries if things go the wrong way. (Gee everyone loves to fly emirates right.....)
And I had said what i had to say..... Sad very sad....
@key pilot
so you are saying that if it did happen as the victims said it happened, then that’s ok and fine with you?
It’s odd.
“is it ok this person was raped”.
“I need the facts”
”but if they were raped is that ok?”
”I need the facts”
”is it ok for anyone to be raped?”
”I need the facts”
Can you not see how your posts and unwillingness to condemn it if it did happen as the victims said is a problem ?
Most right minded people would condemn rape, saying “I won’t condemn rape” is a little bit of an issue for some here even if it’s normal behaviour to you.
so you are saying that if it did happen as the victims said it happened, then that’s ok and fine with you?
It’s odd.
“is it ok this person was raped”.
“I need the facts”
”but if they were raped is that ok?”
”I need the facts”
”is it ok for anyone to be raped?”
”I need the facts”
Can you not see how your posts and unwillingness to condemn it if it did happen as the victims said is a problem ?
Most right minded people would condemn rape, saying “I won’t condemn rape” is a little bit of an issue for some here even if it’s normal behaviour to you.
Here is their side of the story, it's been in the media for a while now.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...earch/12812364
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...earch/12812364
Keypilot;
If Keypilot is a professional of anything, which I doubt, then he is the disgrace.
‘Keypilot purports to ask for “reasoned debate” and “judicious consideration” of an action that is beyond outrageous in terms of the universal declaration of human rights.
However he refuses to debate the matters raised, he just feeds off the natural outrage to his untenable position. That is the definition of trolling.
Does anyone know if this creature works in the industry? if so which company?
The most important of them is the golden rule, which is violated in
Sunfish I hope you are not a professional pilot because if you are, you are a disgrace to our profession.
I most certainly will not go away as I have the same right to be here as you, more in fact as (unlike you) I have been courteous and polite to others even when I disagree with them.
Also I have taken the trouble to read and understand that which others have written, you clearly have not in that you appear to imply that I have suggested that Qatar have behaved judiciously (I have not), or that I have been an apologist for clearly abhorrent practices (I have been very careful throughout to say that I neither condone - not criticise - any actions which it is suggested have taken place).
For these reasons, I shall not be responding to any of your further posts in this thread.
I most certainly will not go away as I have the same right to be here as you, more in fact as (unlike you) I have been courteous and polite to others even when I disagree with them.
Also I have taken the trouble to read and understand that which others have written, you clearly have not in that you appear to imply that I have suggested that Qatar have behaved judiciously (I have not), or that I have been an apologist for clearly abhorrent practices (I have been very careful throughout to say that I neither condone - not criticise - any actions which it is suggested have taken place).
For these reasons, I shall not be responding to any of your further posts in this thread.
‘Keypilot purports to ask for “reasoned debate” and “judicious consideration” of an action that is beyond outrageous in terms of the universal declaration of human rights.
However he refuses to debate the matters raised, he just feeds off the natural outrage to his untenable position. That is the definition of trolling.
Does anyone know if this creature works in the industry? if so which company?
The most important of them is the golden rule, which is violated in
Keypilot, you appear to consider yourself to be a superior being whose opinion is the only one worth considering. I detect a raging case of the "Donald Trumps", are you ever wrong about any subject? In your head, probably not. To the rest of us you are an annoying twit.
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Unacceptable.
This is turning into a western values against Extremist Muslim values.
The TYRANNY OF THE MINORITY (jews,blacks,muslim,LGBTXYZ...) is a different story and it came with the politically correctness that I can give 2 hoots about. I try to call things what they are and if you do not like it, YOU have a problem not me.
And I also get KeyPilot, in fact playing the devil;s advocate is a good way to get to the bottom of things.
You can not force a sobering country to do what you want, but you could force it on the reciprocal agreement (specially because they are on the international side!) Example: In case of problem we go with the law of the country you are from or coming from.
I do not think most people know how far things can go wrong in some countries if things go the wrong way. (Gee everyone loves to fly emirates right.....)
And I had said what i had to say..... Sad very sad....
The TYRANNY OF THE MINORITY (jews,blacks,muslim,LGBTXYZ...) is a different story and it came with the politically correctness that I can give 2 hoots about. I try to call things what they are and if you do not like it, YOU have a problem not me.
And I also get KeyPilot, in fact playing the devil;s advocate is a good way to get to the bottom of things.
You can not force a sobering country to do what you want, but you could force it on the reciprocal agreement (specially because they are on the international side!) Example: In case of problem we go with the law of the country you are from or coming from.
I do not think most people know how far things can go wrong in some countries if things go the wrong way. (Gee everyone loves to fly emirates right.....)
And I had said what i had to say..... Sad very sad....
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EXCUSE ME!
I was just reading an article about CENSORSHIP.
Could you please explain in a organize way why it needs to be CENSOR?
Moderator please remove the wanna be CENSOR, we do not need more people trying to shut other people's thoughts. He is probably one of the ones being OK with burning books, destroying statues, banning books from libraries etc.
Sorry I said I will not get drag into this anymore, but the Freedom of expression it has been ACTIVELY trample upon for too long and that is something I do not stand for. I might disagree with somebody but I will not tell him to shut up, specially if he is speaking the truth.
I guess MissChief is ok with professors getting fired because someone feel bad about something or censoring Speakers because "may be" in the speech somebody did not like it. OH MICRO AGGRESSIONS!
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I was just reading an article about CENSORSHIP.
Could you please explain in a organize way why it needs to be CENSOR?
Moderator please remove the wanna be CENSOR, we do not need more people trying to shut other people's thoughts. He is probably one of the ones being OK with burning books, destroying statues, banning books from libraries etc.
Sorry I said I will not get drag into this anymore, but the Freedom of expression it has been ACTIVELY trample upon for too long and that is something I do not stand for. I might disagree with somebody but I will not tell him to shut up, specially if he is speaking the truth.
I guess MissChief is ok with professors getting fired because someone feel bad about something or censoring Speakers because "may be" in the speech somebody did not like it. OH MICRO AGGRESSIONS!
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