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Old 25th Oct 2020, 10:07
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Qatar disgrace

You won’t believe this. Made feel sick.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...found/12811716
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 11:01
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Fairly disturbing, Qatari authorities or Qatar Airways payroll staff?
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Old 25th Oct 2020, 12:15
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I agree
a disgrace if true.
but do will still believe the media?
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Another reason to avoid the Sh1+hole region of the world.
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Another reason to avoid the Sh1+hole region of the world.

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Old 25th Oct 2020, 23:11
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The Australian Government should simply ban the airline, and any other government alined airline with similar human right abuses, from our country.
This would probably also involve all Middle Eastern and Chinese airlines and that's not going to happen, so we will continue to turn a blind eye.
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Well it was the ABC after all - let’s get the facts first please.
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 00:19
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If you go to these places, you have to accept their culture and how they act.
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 00:35
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The facts appear to be correct. Qatar has every right to correct the story but so far don't appear to have even commented. Since the Qatar. Govt own both the airline and the airport then it is the Qatar Govts problem.

To a degree its also the Australian Govts problem. They have allowed Qantas who holds an RPT authority, to suspend international services, forcing desperate Australians to use any airline available.

The Australian Govt can respond by informing Qatar that they will not be renewing any bilateral aviation rights with Qatar.

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Old 26th Oct 2020, 00:49
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Akbar has been chasing extra rights here for a while now, and has been pushing more recently with some permanent withdrawals from Etihad and Emirates this year.

Give him nothing. If even go as far as cutting back what he has or even suspending his rights completely.

I don’t think it would be any great loss cutting ties with the state. Do we even conduct any meaningful trade with them?

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Old 26th Oct 2020, 02:07
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Well it was the ABC after all - let’s get the facts first please.
As opposed to what, Sky?
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 02:22
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To a degree its also the Australian Govts problem. They have allowed Qantas who holds an RPT authority, to suspend international services, forcing desperate Australians to use any airline available.

The Australian Govt can respond by informing Qatar that they will not be renewing any bilateral aviation rights with Qatar.
There’s no such thing as “RPT Authority”, not sure what you mean there, but Qatar is state backed, they can operate at a loss as long as the state props them up, other carriers don’t have that luxury.

Now will the government suspend Qatar Air from flying to Australia? Of course not, they have flooded the Australian market with seats and freight space so the Australian government doesn’t have to spend too much. At most they may issued a strongly worded condemnation letter, behind the scenes it’ll be “thanks guys for taking care of our international air travel problem for us”.

A substantial proportion of the federal government wants to end cabotage and allow foreign carriers to fly domestically in Oz so the health of our airline sector is far from their minds.
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 02:40
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If you go to these places, you have to accept their culture and how they act.
No you don't. I think the word you are looking for is 'tolerate'.
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 02:44
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The Australian Government should simply ban the airline, and any other government alined airline with similar human right abuses, from our country.
This would probably also involve all Middle Eastern and Chinese airlines and that's not going to happen, so we will continue to turn a blind eye.
Hang on a second, was it Qatari police or airport security staff that ordered this or the airline officials?
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 03:00
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If you go to these places, you have to accept their culture and how they act.
But they weren't. They were traveling on an airline that heavily markets itself in the west, flying between two western countries using that airlines base as a hub.

They certainly didn't sign up for what amounts to rape.
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 03:02
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Hang on a second, was it Qatari police or airport security staff that ordered this or the airline officials?
They are functionally the same- It's a government owned airline. It's not going to offer services that DON'T hub through Doha, so accepting the airline is accepting this kind of treatment.
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 03:22
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The return of the wet lettuce leaf

Middle East nations do as they please. No smacking on the wrist with a wet lettuce leaf from the Australian Government will make one iota of difference. Kashoggi was bumped off in the Saudi consulate and all Australia did was issue ‘stern words’. Too scared to say anything. Worse, Aussies were killed in aircraft that were shot down in Iran and in the Ukraine and again some ‘big words’ were spoken by our Government which amounted to nothing more than a wrist slapping with a piece wet cotton wool. And who could forget our Governments pathetic obsfucation and protection of the Malaysian Government over the MH370 dissapearance which ironically also had Aussies onboard! Sorry, nothing will come of the Qatar incidents and our female citizens having their civil rights and their front-pieces violated on the tarmac. Should we be outraged? Hell yes. Will our Guv’mint take decisive, effective strong action against Qatar? Yeah right, don’t hold your breath waiting.....


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Old 26th Oct 2020, 03:55
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I was trying to keep it simple but since you dispute me I'll go into the whole process.
Qantas does not own its International rights, The Australian people do.. Rights are allocated over a set time, typically 5 years by the the International Air Service Commission (IASC) via an open hearing process. They are issued on a use it or lose it basis which is why some may be less than 5 years if they have been not used and been handed back in.

Similarly slots are similarly allocated by a not so transparent system. This is why I cant se how Qantas can start back in International flying without reapplying for each IASC allocation. They should have lost all that they haven't used.

Similarly all international Airlines go through the same process and have to hold an Australian Foreign Air Operators certificate and hold traffic rights allocated by the IASC.

Its my premise then that the Australian Government has not forced Qantas to operate when they could have and that they have left returning citizens to use carriers that they may not have normally used. Therefore the Australian Government has directly contributed to this event.

We can influence foreign Governments by informing them that their bilateral allocations will not be renewed nor will their Foreign AOC. I'm sure that other airlines will more than compensate with extra services

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Old 26th Oct 2020, 04:10
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How does the Federal Government force a private airline to operate an air route when it can’t even get the States that are members of the Federation to relax the restrictions of the Borders? Suggesting using the IASC to suspend air rights would only further hurt airlines who have already been beaten up badly to the other effects of COvid 19.

And to hold the Australia Government partly responsible for this depravity is drawing a very long bow. Why not draw it further and blame the Chinese Government for being the original exporter of Covid 19?

Now here is something radical....why not rest ALL the blame on Qatar whose Authorities were the ones to overstep common decency with the search rather than trying to implicate the Australian Government.
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Old 26th Oct 2020, 04:16
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Although I acknowledge that in present times it is very difficult to avoid, hopefully this reminds people that when you fly on airlines from these backwards sewer rat countries you may have to accept things like this. They might market themselves to westerners as a western airline but such things they are definitely not.
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