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Old 12th Oct 2020, 15:28
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I’ve watched all those videos and all I see is Credlin/Sky News anti-Labor spin.

I don’t think Dan handled the quarantine well.

But I disagree with all the politics associated with it.

Sorry, but I want the State Borders opened up. And If that means VIC locking down longer, then I’m all for it.

Lock down for another month or two, get rid of the virus, then open up the states.

Why, the hell, do you idiots want to prolong state border restrictions? We are pilots!
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Old 12th Oct 2020, 20:27
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Why, the hell, do you idiots want to prolong state border restrictions? We are pilots!
Selfish.

Look at US/Europe if you want to see how many people half measures kill.

If the cost of saving life is the entire airline industry, so be it. To put it more kindly, we can rebuild businesses we can’t bring the dead back to life.
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Old 12th Oct 2020, 21:29
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
derfred:

Selfish.

Look at US/Europe if you want to see how many people half measures kill.

If the cost of saving life is the entire airline industry, so be it. To put it more kindly, we can rebuild businesses we can’t bring the dead back to life.
When the Titanic was sinking they put women and children in the life rafts first. For similar reasons there are a lot of Grandparents out there who would rather put their Grandkids future ahead of their own.

Many will disagree but that provides context.
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Old 12th Oct 2020, 22:24
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Selfish.
....says the retiree with no requirement to work to live, so screw everyone else.
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Old 12th Oct 2020, 23:18
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says the retiree with no requirement to work to live, so screw everyone else.
‘........Who is also in a vulnerable age group and doesn’t see why he should have to die so that you can afford the latest color TV.

I am sick of young people who regard a lost year as a catastrophe. Ask your great grandparents what upheavals they endured. A year of lockdown and loss of a years income is insignificant. You have decades to get over it.

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Old 12th Oct 2020, 23:23
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
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‘........Who is also in a vulnerable age group and doesn’t see why he should have to die so that you can afford the latest color TV.

I am sick of young people who regard a lost year as a catastrophe. Ask your great grandparents what upheavals they endured. A year of lockdown and loss of a years income is insignificant. You have decades to get over it.
Mate, this isn’t all about airline pilots on JobKeeper. The majority will be fine while we stack shelves waiting for things to pass.

Your comments make it sound like a simple feat for businesses to rebuild in order to save EVERY life in the meantime. Is it that simple? Maybe ask a few of the business owners who haven’t been able to open up for 3 months in Melbourne whether they can afford to come back.
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 00:01
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I am sick of young people who regard a lost year as a catastrophe. Ask your great grandparents what upheavals they endured. A year of lockdown and loss of a years income is insignificant. You have decades to get over it.
I agree a year of lock down is nothing compared to 2 World Wars and a Great Depression. However unless you are predicting a massive economic boom like what happened after both Wars I wouldn't be so dismissive of what the young generation will have to endure economically. The generations before us has cheap housing, free education, and whilst a bit of boom bust pre 1950's from then on it has been pretty good times economically. I don't think anyone under 25 is going to see much of the prosperity that was seen by their parents and grandparents.
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 00:17
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
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‘........Who is also in a vulnerable age group and doesn’t see why he should have to die so that you can afford the latest color TV.

I am sick of young people who regard a lost year as a catastrophe. Ask your great grandparents what upheavals they endured. A year of lockdown and loss of a years income is insignificant. You have decades to get over it.
Young people have been consistently dealt a shit hand by a generation that profited enormously off of the labour and sacrifice of the greatest generation in a massive economic boom. You have left young people with a housing market they can't buy into, education expenses that you had paid for and a climate on the brink. I'm not sure why you're surprised that when they get handed this shit sandwich of a deficit that they'd question whether it's been worth it when they'll be paying it off for you for the rest of their workings lives. Boomers are sacrificing nothing and gaining everything, at the expense of everyone else and then getting pissed off at being questioned over it.
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 00:19
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 01:00
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Pinko to Pinko interview, nothing to write home about. Just a couple of nobodys' sharing their opinions!
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 02:34
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Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA View Post
Young people have been consistently dealt a shit hand by a generation that profited enormously off of the labour and sacrifice of the greatest generation in a massive economic boom. You have left young people with a housing market they can't buy into, education expenses that you had paid for and a climate on the brink. I'm not sure why you're surprised that when they get handed this shit sandwich of a deficit that they'd question whether it's been worth it when they'll be paying it off for you for the rest of their workings lives. Boomers are sacrificing nothing and gaining everything, at the expense of everyone else and then getting pissed off at being questioned over it.
There seems to be a ongoing effort in some media/political circles to blame ‘boomers’ for pretty much everything wrong with the world.
The notion of finding something or someone to blame for all your troubles is of course seductive to the young, especially if it’s their parent’s generation.
Simplistic and intellectually lazy it may be, but there’s no doubt ‘old white guys’ are the new bad guys.
Apparently, before the boomers came along, young people just had it made.

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Old 13th Oct 2020, 03:23
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Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA View Post
Young people have been consistently dealt a shit hand by a generation that profited enormously off of the labour and sacrifice of the greatest generation in a massive economic boom. You have left young people with a housing market they can't buy into, education expenses that you had paid for and a climate on the brink. I'm not sure why you're surprised that when they get handed this shit sandwich of a deficit that they'd question whether it's been worth it when they'll be paying it off for you for the rest of their workings lives. Boomers are sacrificing nothing and gaining everything, at the expense of everyone else and then getting pissed off at being questioned over it.
Sounds like the boomers who were dealt the sh!t sandwich of recovering from WWII just got on and did it instead of whinging about how the generation before it had is so good. And some of those boomers are self-funded retirees mind, living way past their use by date thanks to fantastic developments in medicine and palliative care that their generation supported, all while trying to live off dividends which will dry up if they haven’t already. Climate change is the fault of boomers? Drawing a long bow there. I think that might have technically kicked off in the 1800s.

Let’s just conveniently ignore the quality of life that today’s “young people” (whatever that means) enjoy, computers, iPhones, instant information on the web, online shopping, home delivered meals, universal healthcare, gap years, worldwide travel for $500, betting apps, smashed avocado, and music streaming. So much self gratification and consumption at your fingertips.

You don’t get to retirement age and then expect to continue ‘sacrificing’, it’s done in the years well before then and there’s nothing wrong wanting to enjoy retirement. Boomers do not run today’s governments.

Instead of whining about how unfair it all is, get elected and abolish negative gearing. Get elected and finance free education for all - see how much debt that can generate. Get elected and bring in a real climate change policy. But most of all stop whining. Nobody wants COVID.

(No, I’m not a boomer, not retired nor did I get a free Uni degree.)
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 04:18
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
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‘........Who is also in a vulnerable age group and doesn’t see why he should have to die so that you can afford the latest color TV.

I am sick of young people who regard a lost year as a catastrophe. Ask your great grandparents what upheavals they endured. A year of lockdown and loss of a years income is insignificant. You have decades to get over it.
Just as well, because that’s how long it’s going to take I’m afraid.

I agree with much of what you say and we’re probably in a similar age group but my feeling is that the Govt was waaay too generous at the beginning of this, assuming it was going to be over in a similar time frame to SARS.
They’ve made a rod for their own back and are finding it difficult to back-pedal now without pissing off a significant % of the population who think they’ve been given ‘free’ money. (Please, no Modern Monetary Theorists step in here. Absolute BS)

I can’t help but sense we’re on the doorstep of creating a massive Socialist State if we keep going down this path.



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Old 20th Oct 2020, 23:44
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Yet more brilliant decision making on display in the Peoples Republic of Victoria overnight.
Fancy this - that the great unwashed have objected to ~500 race horse owners, connections and a lucky other few being allowed to witness the Cox plate in the flesh.
The peons are not permitted to go to a friends wedding, or a funeral on health grounds, confined to quarters until recently, but for the elites, sipping champagne in the mounting ring is ok.
The insouciance of them all, how dare they challenge the government. Perhaps they are waking from their slumber.

You couldn't make this stuff up.
Sutton has been fed to the sharks now, more dominos to fall soon.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 02:24
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Yet more brilliant decision making on display in the Peoples Republic of Victoria overnight.
Fancy this - that the great unwashed have objected to ~500 race horse owners, connections and a lucky other few being allowed to witness the Cox plate in the flesh.
The peons are not permitted to go to a friends wedding, or a funeral on health grounds, confined to quarters until recently, but for the elites, sipping champagne in the mounting ring is ok.
The insouciance of them all, how dare they challenge the government. Perhaps they are waking from their slumber..
That is exactly why Socialism is a failure and continues to be so. We are all equal some are just more equal than others.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 11:39
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Watch - like him or loathe him AJ nails it in a few minutes.
Discuss.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 20:07
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Watch - like him or loathe him AJ nails it in a few minutes.
Discuss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmlQjcmuBZY
Love the work Sky news is doing (on this particular issue). Most other media organisations/journalists are pussy footing around the topic, more worried about their next promotion than finding out the truth.

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Old 21st Oct 2020, 22:34
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Agreed, I don't usually partake, but they are shaming the usual suspects.
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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 02:25
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The press reported a week ago that WorkSafe chief Colin Radford has spent the last eight weeks looking at how our largest industrial accident took place. He has been asked to prosecute four politicians and sixteen public servants. A number of silks are exploring how WorkSafe executives can be prosecuted for inaction if there is a third wave and more deaths. Supreme court may be involved.

https://www.selfemployedaustralia.co...uarantine-mess
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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 10:41
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A new cluster outbreak in Melbourne potentially making all the collective punishment of Melbournians for the past 2 months count for nothing. The family at the centre of the outbreak say they were given conflicting information from DHHS on what they were allowed to do, and that they were regularly called by different DHSS staffers who required their story be explained from the beginning each time.

This is effectively the reason we have a problem in Victoria, and as I mentioned previously, we will continue to suffer these DHHS fools as long as they remain in the way.
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