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Old 6th Jul 2021, 22:41
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So REX has approval from CASA to in-house type ratings from scratch, ie, upgrade a SAAB pilot to the 73. Pretty quick for that sort of approval if itís true........
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Old 6th Jul 2021, 22:49
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So REX has approval from CASA to in-house type ratings from scratch
...... and in the same post .....
Pretty quick for that sort of approval if itís true.
No idea, No Idea Either.
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Old 6th Jul 2021, 22:52
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Not sure if your being sarcastic Capn’, can you confirm that REX have this approval or not....
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Old 7th Jul 2021, 00:42
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They can probably do the training but not the final endorsement check out.That will have to come from a CAsA approved examiner.
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Old 7th Jul 2021, 04:57
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Not sure if your being sarcastic Capní, can you confirm that REX have this approval or not....
I was making a comment that on one hand you say that they "have approval from Casa" - which implies you are reporting a fact, then, in the second sentence you make a comment about it being "if true".

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Old 7th Jul 2021, 05:40
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Capn’

the ‘if it’s true’ should have been a give away. No worries friend, I probably should have inserted a question mark to make it a bit clearer. As you rightly said, I have no idea.
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Old 7th Jul 2021, 07:16
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No idea- don't worry about it mate - Rex Havoc has less idea than anyone about everything
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Old 7th Jul 2021, 08:07
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They need to have an in-house endorsement training syllabus approved by CAsA.That took VA a long time to be approved.I can’t imagine Rex would get that quickly.
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Old 7th Jul 2021, 08:56
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They need to have an in-house endorsement training syllabus approved by CAsA.That took VA a long time to be approved.I canít imagine Rex would get that quickly.
It would if all the C&T staff came from an established 737 operator who took all the IP with them. FWIW, I have no idea if Rex actually have Part 142 approval for 737 endorsement training.
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Old 7th Jul 2021, 09:10
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Taking "all the IP with them" is often called "theft". But it would depend on the delta between what you think IP is versus what IP actually is, and who owns the actual IP.
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Old 7th Jul 2021, 23:40
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
Taking "all the IP with them" is often called "theft". But it would depend on the delta between what you think IP is versus what IP actually is, and who owns the actual IP.
There is no IP. The Syllabus is freely available from Boeing and CASA would insist that be adhered to. The Standards are in the MOS and there is a CASA provided template to do the 142 approval. Put them all together and away you go. The Instructor and Examiner approvals are the individuals qualifications and they can do and work for who they choose.
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Old 8th Jul 2021, 00:26
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There is IP. It's just that its owners have licensed its use on a royalty-free basis.
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Old 8th Jul 2021, 00:37
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Originally Posted by 430W
... freely available from Boeing ...
That would be a first.
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Old 8th Jul 2021, 01:03
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
That would be a first.
Not if you're an operator. Been there done that with both Airbus and Boeing.
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Old 8th Jul 2021, 01:29
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Originally Posted by 430W
Not if you're an operator.
And do you think that there is no commercial arrangement between Boeing (and Airbus) and 'operators' that covers that access?

Access to documentation is most assuredly not free. Boeing don't plaster
This document includes proprietary information owned by The Boeing Company ... Treatment of the document and the information it contains is governed by contract with Boeing.
over their documents for no good reason.
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Old 8th Jul 2021, 02:00
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
And do you think that there is no commercial arrangement between Boeing (and Airbus) and 'operators' that covers that access?

Access to documentation is most assuredly not free. Boeing don't plaster

over their documents for no good reason.
I'm not going to do the rounds on this.

While it is a while since I got these documents from Boeing, that is not the case with Airbus. They are freely available on Airbus World without limitation and it is in the manufacturers interest to hope any operator uses the syllabus provided and I can assure you CASA insist on it in the Part 142 approval process if you want approval to do type ratings on that particular aircraft. You can add more or move things or the order around but they will tick off each and every item in the syllabus to make sure it is covered.

In the case of Airbus there was no fee for the syllabus just as there were no fees for a lot of the other great publications they produce in the interest of safety and training. There were fees for other technical support.

In case I wasn't clear there is no IP that "VA" could claim in regards to this unless their documents were copied in toto and you just don't need to do that as everything is easily available and why would Rex open themselves up to it. I'm no fan of Rex and certainly do not believe they should have been subsidised to enable them to start this operation but even I think they are smarter than that.

End of it for me. Got better things to do.
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Old 8th Jul 2021, 02:08
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Originally Posted by 430W
I'm not going to do the rounds on this.

While it is a while since I got these documents from Boeing, that is not the case with Airbus. They are freely available on Airbus World without limitation and it is in the manufacturers interest to hope any operator uses the syllabus provided and I can assure you CASA insist on it in the Part 142 approval process if you want approval to do type ratings on that particular aircraft. You can add more or move things or the order around but they will tick off each and every item in the syllabus to make sure it is covered.

In the case of Airbus there was no fee for the syllabus just as there were no fees for a lot of the other great publications they produce in the interest of safety and training. There were fees for other technical support.

In case I wasn't clear there is no IP that "VA" could claim in regards to this unless their documents were copied in toto and you just don't need to do that as everything is easily available and why would Rex open themselves up to it. I'm no fan of Rex and certainly do not believe they should have been subsidised to enable them to start this operation but even I think they are smarter than that.

End of it for me. Got better things to do.
So now we're over to talking about Airbus, here's how they typically annotate their documents,
The content of this document is the property of Airbus.
It is supplied in confidence and commercial security on its contents must be maintained.
It must not be used for any purpose other than that for which it is supplied, nor may information contained in it be disclosed to unauthorized persons.
It must not be reproduced in whole or in part without permission in writing from the owners of the copyright.
Requests for reproduction of any data in this document and the media authorized for it must be addressed to Airbus.
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Old 8th Jul 2021, 04:49
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Originally Posted by 430W
They are freely available on Airbus World without limitation
They might be "freely available" once you have acces to Airbus World, but in my experience access to Airbus World is fairly tightly controlled (well it is in my company anyway). I'm sure the company is paying for it either directly or indirectly and there are restrictions on what you can and can't do with the information available there.
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Old 8th Jul 2021, 06:11
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Originally Posted by Sue Ridgepipe
They might be "freely available" once you have acces to Airbus World, but in my experience access to Airbus World is fairly tightly controlled (well it is in my company anyway).
That's the norm. As Airbus themselves note on their website,

... be informed that access to the portal is only granted to authorized users only. Each registered company or organization has at least one dedicated User Entity Administrator (UEA) in charge of providing access rights to future users.
In short, access is restricted to companies that have a commercial relationship with Airbus.

Saying it's 'freely available' is like saying that food at the breakfast buffet at your hotel is 'freely available' - it's available but it's been paid for.

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Old 9th Jul 2021, 11:25
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So I hear the mass Ex-Va widebody resignation has begun.?? If true does this mean a sudden need for 737 drivers with these guys stood down?
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