QF Group possible Redundancy Numbers/Packages
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https://www.businessinsider.com.au/i...20-7?r=US&IR=T
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/i...20-7?r=US&IR=T
Icelandair announced Friday that it would be laying off all its flight attendants, ending a labour dispute with the crew members’ union that began last month.
In the unprecedented move, the airline said it planned to have its pilots temporarily assume flight attendants’ roles overseeing the safety of those onboard, starting July 20.
In the unprecedented move, the airline said it planned to have its pilots temporarily assume flight attendants’ roles overseeing the safety of those onboard, starting July 20.
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That comment goes for all airlines, they don’t care who is number one or has been loyal for 30yrs. All about SURVIVAL..
It’s good to see the JQ boys and girls can squabble about who should get made redundant as well as our QF colleagues. Who said there was no equality within the group!
just remember JQ peeps, unlike QF, management haven’t even offered us VR, let alone forcing CR so I think we’re jumping at shadows a touch.
I prefer the hypothetical conversation though than the real scenario, hopefully we never find out what the company would do if push comes to shove.
just remember JQ peeps, unlike QF, management haven’t even offered us VR, let alone forcing CR so I think we’re jumping at shadows a touch.
I prefer the hypothetical conversation though than the real scenario, hopefully we never find out what the company would do if push comes to shove.
NZ Jq pilots facing redundancy.
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What of Jetconnect? They fly only international sectors, there are enough mainline crew to operate the Tasman when it starts up again. If the surplus is in ‘LH’ and our colleagues at JQNZ are facing redundancy, how are JC sliding under the radar? It’s all been very quiet.....
BTW...I’m not saying I think they should be made redundant before anyone kicks off!
BTW...I’m not saying I think they should be made redundant before anyone kicks off!
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Is SH immune from CR? Someone mentioned they are because they’re covered by their own separate agreement. It is helpful however, to understand that the two agreements are not quite as separate as first appears. The SH agreement which was born well after the LH agreement, has integrated some of the clauses from LH. The integration award provides the link. Redundancy is one example.
The SH agreement says redundancy provisions are called up from the integration award. The integration award says redundancy is as per the LH agreement, which states that CR is “last on first off”. Therefore, the SH and LH agreement both say that CR is “last on first off” for all Qantas pilots hired after September 1992.
I suspect the company actually know this but it doesn’t help with the narrative they are trying to push. They seem to want everyone in LH (junior and senior) to be fearful for their jobs and to rush into LWOP.
The SH agreement says redundancy provisions are called up from the integration award. The integration award says redundancy is as per the LH agreement, which states that CR is “last on first off”. Therefore, the SH and LH agreement both say that CR is “last on first off” for all Qantas pilots hired after September 1992.
I suspect the company actually know this but it doesn’t help with the narrative they are trying to push. They seem to want everyone in LH (junior and senior) to be fearful for their jobs and to rush into LWOP.
Is SH immune from CR? Someone mentioned they are because they’re covered by their own separate agreement. It is helpful however, to understand that the two agreements are not quite as separate as first appears. The SH agreement which was born well after the LH agreement, has integrated some of the clauses from LH. The integration award provides the link. Redundancy is one example.
The SH agreement says redundancy provisions are called up from the integration award. The integration award says redundancy is as per the LH agreement, which states that CR is “last on first off”. Therefore, the SH and LH agreement both say that CR is “last on first off” for all Qantas pilots hired after September 1992.
I suspect the company actually know this but it doesn’t help with the narrative they are trying to push. They seem to want everyone in LH (junior and senior) to be fearful for their jobs and to rush into LWOP.
The SH agreement says redundancy provisions are called up from the integration award. The integration award says redundancy is as per the LH agreement, which states that CR is “last on first off”. Therefore, the SH and LH agreement both say that CR is “last on first off” for all Qantas pilots hired after September 1992.
I suspect the company actually know this but it doesn’t help with the narrative they are trying to push. They seem to want everyone in LH (junior and senior) to be fearful for their jobs and to rush into LWOP.
‘genuine redundancy’......
if SH were to be included, they would be eligible for VR...no one, not even AIPA, seems to be pushing for this. I suspect AIPA know they will lose any challenge...but a challenge must be made nonetheless. Will probably lose some SH members along the way. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to this. I also suspect.....it won’t.
The simple fact is your posts are filled with arrogance, sarcasm and condescension to others. And like I said, you were silent here until just a few months ago where you suddenly went on a mission to prove everyone wrong, and yourself to be the only one right. Claiming that junior pilots don't post on Qrewroom is just a cop out for you. The simple fact is that if you posted in the same manner you post here your true colours would show. The one poster here who is letting their head and emotions get in the way is you, as is shown by the increasing frequency with which you have to keep telling others they are wrong. It has become noticeable in every post you make.
If you posted your argument rationally on Qrewroom maybe it would open the eyes of some, but also it would attract the attention of those with a far greater knowledge than you or I have with respect to the Award and it's workings, and the functioning of the company. The simple fact is posting on Qrewroom means you take ownership for your claims, not hiding under anonymity like you do here.
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If only you had an idea how many PMs I receive from people thanking me for bringing light to subjects they hadn’t though about. You would be gobsmacked!
Enjoy your continued stand down mmmbop. Hopefully you are here in the future so I can continue to read your obnoxious, sarcastic, condescending dribble.
Enjoy your continued stand down mmmbop. Hopefully you are here in the future so I can continue to read your obnoxious, sarcastic, condescending dribble.
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If only you had an idea how many PMs I receive from people thanking me for bringing light to subjects they hadn’t though about. You would be gobsmacked!
Enjoy your continued stand down mmmbop. Hopefully you are here in the future so I can continue to read your obnoxious, sarcastic, condescending dribble.
Enjoy your continued stand down mmmbop. Hopefully you are here in the future so I can continue to read your obnoxious, sarcastic, condescending dribble.
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The entire argument about just waiting it out and take LWOP later is flawed.
Tino has said multiple times that VR/CR will be used to deal with the long term surplus. LWOP will only be used to deal with the short-medium term surplus. If there is not enough senior crew who take VR, then it's game over for the junior crew. There will be no LWOP offer, you are a surplus, and will receive a CR notice. The CR payout for a junior SO is laughable compared to a VR payout they are offering.
What I find ironic is that during the EBA negotiations, the majority of established crew were saying not to believe a word Tino says! Now hes saying "we don't want to do CR's", and you lot believe him! Have a look at whats happening around the aviation world people. Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.
The only date any junior crew here should be waiting for is the 23rd July with the Jobkeeper announcement. If they extend it and it is allowed to be claimed while on LWOP, its an easy decision. If the government doesn't allow it to be taken while on LWOP, then junior crew need to decide if they need the money now, or if they can find work elsewhere while on LWOP.
Don't listen to senior crew telling you to "wait it out". By the time you wait it out, and the CR decision is made its too late. By then the senior crew who gave you that advice would have disappeared onto a tropical island whilst sipping on a cocktail knowing the buffer of pilots they have beneath them. Lambs to the slaughter.
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The entire argument about just waiting it out and take LWOP later is flawed.
Tino has said multiple times that VR/CR will be used to deal with the long term surplus. LWOP will only be used to deal with the short-medium term surplus. If there is not enough senior crew who take VR, then it's game over for the junior crew. There will be no LWOP offer, you are a surplus, and will receive a CR notice. The CR payout for a junior SO is laughable compared to a VR payout they are offering.
What I find ironic is that during the EBA negotiations, the majority of established crew were saying not to believe a word Tino says! Now hes saying "we don't want to do CR's", and you lot believe him! Have a look at whats happening around the aviation world people. Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.
The only date any junior crew here should be waiting for is the 23rd July with the Jobkeeper announcement. If they extend it and it is allowed to be claimed while on LWOP, its an easy decision. If the government doesn't allow it to be taken while on LWOP, then junior crew need to decide if they need the money now, or if they can find work elsewhere while on LWOP.
Don't listen to senior crew telling you to "wait it out". By the time you wait it out, and the CR decision is made its too late. By then the senior crew who gave you that advice would have disappeared onto a tropical island whilst sipping on a cocktail knowing the buffer of pilots they have beneath them. Lambs to the slaughter.
This is terribly tough times. I feel you campaign for dissent, fear and division even if it’s not your intention, but perhaps feel justified that you’re spreading information for an informed choice.
If 200 pilots took LWOP a part of me would be happy because it would be good for QF bottom line and I care about QF survival. However, LWOP should not be taken out of fear and the premis of the company’s LWOP offer should be thoroughly rejected. I feel you encourage disunity to stoke the embers of selfishness and I instead wish you were passionate about unity for the greater good.
Last edited by crosscutter; 19th Jul 2020 at 06:07.