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Old 14th Aug 2020, 12:15
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Would you like to see my pyjamas champ?
It is a warm wash as per the instructions on a medium cycle for 30 minutes.
The paper will be published when pandemic ends.
My peers will then review and more case studies will be provided.
expect an answer in 2025
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 12:18
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5 washes, well there good for 5 years then, when can I buy some
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 12:22
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Interesting you do not answer me on one thread but quote me on another.
time to put he glass down champ
you should put yourself on the wagon
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 12:36
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5 washes, well there good for 5 years then, when can I buy some
I'd have thought more like 10 years, easier to remember evens - "wash every 2 years"...plus your saving the environment so win/win for everyone!

Next problem??
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 22:46
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Originally Posted by dragon man View Post
Of the 188 Iím told 150 are Captains, so if thatís correct and 50 are on the 380 the question is will they let them all go or will they limit it to the numbers to crew 6 of them?
They are all going
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 23:50
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Originally Posted by Poto View Post
They are all going
All 188, all 150, or all 50?

I canít see the company refusing any VR requests, even if youíre a 787 or 330 TRE/CAT.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 00:03
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post
All 188, all 150, or all 50?

I canít see the company refusing any VR requests, even if youíre a 787 or 330 TRE/CAT.

I think you are probably correct, they only got two 787 Captains the surprise was nearly a quarter of 330 Captains want out
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 02:24
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I think Poto means all the A380 Captains are going. I suspect to the A330 in the interim.

One of the things I reckon they’ll be looking at with a lower MGH is to train those who would otherwise be stood down onto fleets where there is some flying or where the flying is coming back more quickly. So once there is enough flying for all A330 crew in a particular rank to be stood up on MGH of 80 (if that’s what we agree to), additional flying hours that come onto the fleet will go to expanding the crew numbers on the fleet by bringing across those on the A380 rather than increasing the MGH of those on the fleet.

WRT dragon man’s assertion of ‘nearly a quarter’ of A330 Captains, there are roughly 235 Captains on the fleet. 21 of them are 63-65. So fifty-ish of the remaining 210 went for VR? I’ve heard a few names that surprised me but also know of a number of 60+ Captains who decided to remain. 50 is a pretty big number so it’ll be interesting to see how that plays out. Any numbers on the other fleets dragon man?
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 05:26
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You just don't really understand how long international is going to be down for (or maybe you just know a whole lot of things that I just don't know)

Our illustrious leader isn't letting Australians exit until at least middle of next year , then you have our State & Territory leaders to contend with

The leadership group in Australia has been extremely cautious to date & that won't change. Has attracted some adverse commentary from outside Australia but I doubt our guys
are phased by that

Then you also have the second & third waves of Covid which are hitting some parts of Asia

All of the Asian countries that the A330 used to fly to are now only letting in their own nationals , not exactly something Tino & AJ control

Think the only "developed" country in Asia that is admitting foreigners is Taiwan - but that is short stay business travellers only

The reality is that with the second wave in Victoria (& looks like taking off in NZ) we don't even have a domestic industry atm

What capacity is domestic trucking at right now 5 % or so atm ? & international at zero %

Didn't all of the medical professors say a vaccine takes 12 to 18 months "best case". So an 18 month best case takes you do Sept 2021

Can somebody please explain to me how (& when) international travel is going to open up , which countries first ? , will it be business travellers only ?

Will you be able to get travel insurance ? I noticed Cambodia is open , but you have to provide proof of travel insurance $50K for Covid - is this even possible ?

How is it that Airline pilots seem to know things that our Medical Professors & other various experts & political leaders just don't know or understand

I am just not seeing any reason for the ebullient optimism , all the big talkies
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 05:40
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
How is it that Airline pilots seem to know things that our Medical Professors & other various experts & political leaders just don't know or understand
Probably the same reason that you keep coming on here and telling us the state of the nation...
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 06:48
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Except that Telfer is correct and those that haven't caught up yet are in for a rude shock next year, about the time when the impact of the recession arrives.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 08:00
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Domestic will be lucky if it returns in the first half of next yr to any palatable percentage of 2019. As demonstrated currently by premiers they won’t open until a vaccine, NZ prime example 102 days without a case then a flare up over something as simple as an imported pork chop (or similar) Point is if the virus got there that easily that’s a wrap on travel in OZ.

Reading comments over who is going to 330 and numbers of VR etc is very laughable now after Victoria’s mess! The game has changed for the worse. No one seems to accept that QF group will be fighting for its very survival just to keep any kind of network running in 2021! Even REX think they are getting those 73 off VA up and running March 2021 I can’t wait to see the Nationals hand over more cash to sharpie to bail them out when it goes tits up..
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 08:32
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Yeah, I don't see that QF is in any material better position than VA, arguably it's in a worse position, it's always easier to add to a fleet than it is to remove a fleet. As for REX, if your going to step up to a high capacity AOC, now is a good time to do it while there's plenty of resources available. It will still take a year and engineering is always the stumbling block and REX isn't in any better position than a new startup in that regard.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 08:37
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NZ prime example 102 days without a case then a flare up over something as simple as an imported pork chop (or similar) Point is if the virus got there that easily thatís a wrap on travel in OZ.
Interesting to consider what happens if there is never (or even not within 5-10 years) a vaccine or suitable treatment. Given the rest of the world has not opted for elimination strategies, what is our long term plan then?
Clearly as NZ has shown, all international freight will need to stop as well. So how long does the country function in complete isolation? Just like influenza, Covid will always be somewhere on the planet.
One way or another, whether by vaccine, treatment or sheer risk/reward mentality, this will have to end. When is anyone's guess.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 08:54
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Well those of us in the relatively unaffected states things are pretty much back to normal within the state. We are still vigilant of course but we see no reason to change that in the next couple of years. Beyond that we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. We remain confident for a vaccine.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 08:59
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Obviously a lot happening in the vaccine space, the biggest medical experiment underway that the world has ever tried. Half dozen already in phase 3 with another 20 approaching.

The issue at hand is how to mass produce and distribute it. Thatís what the top docs are worried about. How many years will it take until every Australian can access it?

You can bet we are not far off the bottom of the list.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 09:07
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You can bet we are not far off the bottom of the list.
Not at all, our very own vaccine is going well so far and we can produce it here, if that's all we can do it will take 12 months to produce and distribute to all australians
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 10:03
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QF group and VA donít have 12 months from when a vaccine is found. I was optimistic right until QLD closed their border and talks RD thatís the new normal Australia divided into separate states and territories each doing their own thing. Now realistically there will be few new players in OZ in a few yrs and some current ones bigger. Mean while QF pilots will still be scaring younger crew trying to LWOP from a job that most likely wonít exist anymore.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 10:03
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public apology.
I was out of line.
i should not have posted that.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 10:08
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Sure, but their not stupid, LWOP has no practicle advantage unless you can go home and live with mum and dad for the next couple of years, there probably isn't many that young.
In my view if they are not paying you, you have already been made redundant. I wouldn't expect that to become obvious until jobkeeper ends.
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