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Old 15th Jun 2020, 07:35
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
We will just have to settle for reading it here, at least until PPRuNe comes with an audio function on e day.
I’d need to get someone to do the audio. My Aussie strine would be torture to listen to!

I think it’s also worth looking at this from the company’s perspective- isn’t that a Sun Tzu thing to consider your predicament from the opposition’s view point?

Do you think they’d prefer to pay 6 months to someone at the start of their career and run the risk of not getting them back or find the ‘sweet spot’ amount of money (perhaps a similar amount of money or perhaps less depending on who they’re offering) to get people to leave at the end of their careers and still retain the investment on those newer crew.

If the A380 is a chance to remain stood down beyond March next year and/ or reduced capacity when it comes back, would an A380 Captain consider taking a package worth (say) $150K in March next year or potentially work 50% (or less) divisors for the next 12 months until they get to retirement?

I’m also pretty confident that the company can put an individual offer to specific crew so I’m sure there would be a bit of a ‘sliding scale’ as to how much a particular pilot may be offered depending on their time to retirement.

Anyway, it’s going to be a rough couple of years. Very few winners anywhere.

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Old 15th Jun 2020, 08:33
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Keg FM....I’d tune in.
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 17:04
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee View Post
What I admittedly don't understand is how someone can be assured that they are covered by an agreement if they are not employed by the company.
In other words, what stops a company coming out and saying "in line with gender equality criteria, we will be employing at 50/50"?
Not legal.

But it is amusing watching pilots soil their strides at the thought of losing almost exclusivity in the workplace.
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 22:35
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
Not legal.

But it is amusing watching pilots soil their strides at the thought of losing almost exclusivity in the workplace.
Careful oicur12. Pilots are loosing their livelihood and some have gone further than ďsoil their stridesĒ. Just look at whatís happened at EK in the last week. Very sad. I donít think itís amusing at all.
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 23:33
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Losing exclusivity in the workplace? You mean their own individual jobs?
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 04:56
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But why would you accept a VR ?

The money will be less than CR and you forfeit guaranteed right of return

Think Keg is incorrect in thinking that a sliding scale can be offered which targets those who are older

Don't VRs just apply for years of service , not years remaining , why for example would a 55 year old leave - they will not get another job

Just stick together and maximize the payout to any who get CR , make AJ pay the full amount as prescribed by EA

"If" there is a CR it would have to be done in seniority , so a % of those at the bottom go & are all reemployed within 5 years - all works out

The Kiwis acted promptly and set the example - just follow it and try to get provisions in any deal for those made redundant to have preference for employment at other QF group airlines (obviously after their own for example
Qlink come back)

The only variable is if you have to CR across each division of mainline - are SH FOs who have been around for short time protected by the fact they went to SH
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 07:05
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Originally Posted by Gazza mate View Post
Careful oicur12. Pilots are loosing their livelihood and some have gone further than ďsoil their stridesĒ. Just look at whatís happened at EK in the last week. Very sad. I donít think itís amusing at all.
Some people will always gloat at other's misfortune.
What a low life comment.
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 07:13
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
Not legal.

But it is amusing watching pilots soil their strides at the thought of losing almost exclusivity in the workplace.
What a low life comment, gloating at other's misfortune. Are you looking for a job in management? Or just trying to climb the greasy pole?
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Old 16th Jun 2020, 20:28
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Originally Posted by Gazza mate View Post
Careful oicur12. Pilots are loosing their livelihood and some have gone further than ďsoil their stridesĒ. Just look at whatís happened at EK in the last week. Very sad. I donít think itís amusing at all.
I agree, the loss of jobs occurring is very stressful and I have several friends in dire circumstances. There is nothing funny at all about job loss and I didn't mean to imply anything to the contrary.

What is amusing and the subject of my previous post is that even in these desperate times, men are still conspiracy theorizing about mythical quotas that could see women move beyond the pathetic 5% of the cockpit seats they presently occupy.

Hence my comment about exclusivity.

It's something our friend from NZ in later comments clearly does not understand.


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Old 17th Jun 2020, 00:38
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Isn't a pilot a pilot a pilot? Or at least I thought that was the case.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 01:35
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The point was, even if it’s only 5%, if a group of them are made redundant, there will no doubt be a push by HR to re-employ at a different, more “equal” ratio down the track..
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 03:04
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Back in February on another thread, I was warning this was going to be huge. I was repeatedly told "this virus has nothing to do with aviation so take your opinions elsewhere", as well as receiving the benefit of several lessons in high school math regarding exponential growth curves and log functions.

Anyway, that was a few months ago. I think the latest data suggests fairly strongly that we are further through this than we think, and that society overall will recover a bit faster than many think. Look at the ASX and NYSE.

I don't think there will be a devastating 2nd wave. Yes cases will increase as measures are relaxed. However there is very little chance we will need to lockdown again.

Sure, cases are increasing in parts of the USA. Behind the headline total numbers however, the % hospitalised and the % who die are falling significantly. The explanation is that with increased testing capacity, they are finding more of the milder cases that were always there but not diagnosed initially. It now appears clear the mortality rate is way under 1% (and closer to 0.1% for those under 60).

However, it will be a very different world for aviation for years to come
1. Fewer pax overall
2. Likely smaller aircraft - not sure the 380 is coming back to service anytime soon
3. Possibly more point-to-point flying, and less use of highly congested hubs
4. Fewer high yield business pax (J and full fare Y). Businesses will be saying "Zoom worked pretty well for 6 months ....."
5. A greater proportion of deeply discounted leisure pax in Y

So aviation will recover sooner than we think. But it will be a different world. Airlines and their workforce will need to plan accordingly.

Embrace change, or else it will embrace you.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 04:16
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https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...hcOp82UzxwEQpM

Qantas looks to mothball it’s flagship Airbus A380s

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Old 17th Jun 2020, 04:37
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TT , QF can employ 100% diversity if or when they chose if they employ externals

Compulsory redundancies are re-employed in seniority order

So why does diversity employment atm even rate a mention

Mainline didn't employ externals for 8 years post GFC , so long time to employ any externals now

Just take the very generous & prescriptive CR dollars and put the guaranteed re-employment slip in your back pocket

Your leader will probably be sipping pink daiquiris at a luxurious penthouse on South Beach or yodeling from atop a luxurious villa in the Swiss Alps by that time
but you can't change that
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 04:59
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the A380 fleet will only ever return to maximum of six. That confirms it. The aircraft the haven’t been redone are finished.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 06:26
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I have heard that Jetstar is planning on the 787 being grounded for another 9 months, so no realistic plans for international travel until March/April 2021.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 06:33
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so no realistic plans for international travel until March/April 2021.
Not really realistic given that there is a small amount of international travel even now. This will lift faster and harder than the media are portraying. Their focus now is second wave fear.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 06:47
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Even when the borders do open up I can’t see the demand coming back for another 12+ months beyond that for 500 seats a day between SYD/ MEL and LAX, or SYD/MEL- LHR.

I can see demand coming back that would require smaller aeroplanes to fly that schedule though. Aeroplanes that Qantas currently doesn’t have enough of!
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 06:51
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Even when the borders do open up I canít see the demand coming back for another 12+ months beyond that for 500 seats a day between SYD/ MEL and LAX, or SYD/MEL- LHR.

I can see demand coming back that would require smaller aeroplanes to fly that schedule though. Aeroplanes that Qantas currently doesnít have enough of!
If QF took JQs 11 787s that would be 22 787s and 28 A330s. Would that be enough to cover QFs international network post COVID?
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 06:51
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Really?
Qantas and Air NZ parking up their international fleets in deserts fills you full of confidence?
2nd waves breaking out in the States fills you full of confidence?
The majority of cases in NZ and Aus are being bought in from overseas fills you full of confidence?
The tourism minister today saying he doesnít know when it is going to happen and saying the tourism industry is going to be hit the longest fills you with confidence?
You are not seeing travel at the moment, you are seeing citizens returning home for a 14 day stay in a hotel.
I mean Iíd love to have a leprechaun to find me a pot of gold but I think I will tune into reality first.


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