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Old 12th Dec 2022, 22:40
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Wierd that they using a date that hasn't occured yet, 31st of december 2022 hasn't happened yet. If they cant get the fundamentals right how can you believe the other stuff they say
You sure they got it wrong ?..
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Old 12th Dec 2022, 22:44
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Meanwhile, over in Germany..


”..Patient data of the Association of Statutory Health Insurance Physicians on side effects of the Corona vaccinations provide frightening findings…

…more than 80 people each and every day are dying suddenly and mysteriously..”



https://notrickszone.com/2022/12/12/...ny-since-2021/
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Originally Posted by Flying Binghi
Meanwhile, over in Germany..


”..Patient data of the Association of Statutory Health Insurance Physicians on side effects of the Corona vaccinations provide frightening findings…

…more than 80 people each and every day are dying suddenly and mysteriously..”



https://notrickszone.com/2022/12/12/...ny-since-2021/
Try searching for data rather than confirmation...
Misrepresentation of Germany’s Data on Unverified COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects - FactCheck.org
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Old 13th Dec 2022, 00:08
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz

I had a quick look-see at the so-called ‘fact check’ and note it is dated August. Please note the article I referenced is dated December/22 and is referring to “just released data of the 72 million insured by Association of Statutory Health Insurance Physicians” ..thats an indirect reference to all-cause mortality.

Wizofoz, perhaps you can show in the article you linked just where there is a reference to all-cause mortality ?..
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Old 13th Dec 2022, 00:15
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Originally Posted by Flying Binghi
I had a quick look-see at the so-called ‘fact check’ and note it is dated August. Please note the article I referenced is dated December/22 and is referring to “just released data of the 72 million insured by Association of Statutory Health Insurance Physicians” ..thats an indirect reference to all-cause mortality.

Wizofoz, perhaps you can show in the article you linked just where there is a reference to all-cause mortality ?..
Your article thinks "suddenly and mysteriously" = vaccine death, and you spread it.
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Old 13th Dec 2022, 04:44
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
Your article thinks "suddenly and mysteriously" = vaccine death, and you spread it.
I reference it.

Do you actually have any thing to debunk it ? Yer ‘fact check’ ain’t gone so well..



Meanwhile, here in Oz. it seems Electro Man has put a cat in the pigeon cage:

“..Nick Coatsworth has branded Twitter owner Elon Musk "reprehensible" after the billionaire businessman called for the prosecution of top US health official Anthony Fauci on his new social media account..”


Hmmm.. Coatsworth seems to have had an unintentional bowl movement. Seems more exciting info releases to come..


https://www.9news.com.au/national/el...1-9cf27f1c4eb4


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Old 13th Dec 2022, 06:11
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No one here is really interested in debunking complete rot that eventually leads to 3 people being shot dead because some nutter believes the 0.0001% is correct and everyone else is wrong. Time to shut this thread down before more loose ends start to fray.
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
No one here is really interested in debunking complete rot that eventually leads to 3 people being shot dead because some nutter believes the 0.0001% is correct and everyone else is wrong. Time to shut this thread down before more loose ends start to fray.
Conflating comments in this thread with the murders of three people in Queensland is pretty low. Perhaps consider your role, amongst others, in how this debate has descended.
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Old 13th Dec 2022, 06:38
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Conflating comments in this thread with the murders of three people in Queensland is pretty low. Perhaps consider your role, amongst others, in how this debate has descended.
Directly related to the same rubbish posted on here, so not bothered in the slightest. And quite obvious to boot as you drew the comparison immediately. Which is why this thread is well and truly beyond it's used by date, just a SovCit, nutter thread now.
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Old 13th Dec 2022, 07:55
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
Directly related to the same rubbish posted on here, so not bothered in the slightest. And quite obvious to boot as you drew the comparison immediately. Which is why this thread is well and truly beyond it's used by date, just a SovCit, nutter thread now.
Seems Elon Musk has made the ‘subject’ mainstream now..


43Inches, seems the cat has your attention..
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Conflating comments in this thread with the murders of three people in Queensland is pretty low. Perhaps consider your role, amongst others, in how this debate has descended.
These are the same people who think every Musim is a terrorist, but have far more in common with actual terrorists than the vast majority of Muslims.
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
These are the same people who think every Musim is a terrorist, but have far more in common with actual terrorists than the vast majority of Muslims.
You and 43 can rationalise it as much as you like, if it makes you feel better.
I still reckon making hay out of a tragedy is pretty low down.
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Heh.. seems some caint argue the subject so seek to divert..


..and, back on topic. Seems we has a ‘rebound’…


“..Covid hospitalisations in England have started to rebound, official figures show..​​​​​

..cases have risen for the second week in a row after being in decline for over a month..”



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...oar-fifth.html

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Originally Posted by 43Inches
Time to shut this thread down
Totally.

It’s just rubbish now. This thread was started to track Covid related border closures and then the vaccine rollout to get to the reopening stage. That happened almost a year ago. Border closures are well over and are not disrupting aviation anymore so any more talk on this thread is unrelated to the purpose of the forum, Australian aviation.

Nutters can go elsewhere to spread rubbish. Mods please close this thread down now.
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Totally.

It’s just rubbish now. This thread was started to track Covid related border closures and then the vaccine rollout to get to the reopening stage. That happened almost a year ago. Border closures are well over and are not disrupting aviation anymore so any more talk on this thread is unrelated to the purpose of the forum, Australian aviation.

Nutters can go elsewhere to spread rubbish. Mods please close this thread down now.


Hmmm.. seems the virus is getting a go-on again. Is that why yer panicking dr dre..
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Interesting parallels between MH370 and C19.

MH370
A highly specific mechanical failure which took out all communications and pressurisation, but left other flight systems intact
Versus
Malfeasance and human involvement

C19
Sudden appearance of a virus with many odd features (including a furin cleavage site and a spike with a higher affinity for human than any animal ACE2 receptor) AND with no animal host found after 3 years of looking
Versus
A human engineered virus emerging in a city where AND when US was funding precisely this research.

In both cases, a preponderance of circumstantial evidence and Occams razor points strongly towards the 2nd explanation.
However in both cases there has been obfuscation by officials, political influence, and censorship which have kept trying to prop up the first explanation.

Interesting.
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Old 22nd Dec 2022, 09:38
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Precisely! Covid didn't go anywhere! You can pretend it isn't happening all you want. COVID in China is about to be a huge test!! HKU’s Ben Cowling says R0=16, which means each infected person has been infecting 16 others. Faster spread than ever. Doubling in days if not hours. No immunity, limited vaccines. This means possibly 800m ppl infected by around lunar new year. How many good / bad or ugly variants do you think will come from infecting that amount of people in such a short period of time?
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COVID in China is about to be a huge test!!
Not really. China is relatively protected against C19. Not resistant. But far better protected than western countries.
1. A small % of population > 75
2. A very low mean BMI
3. Genetic selection thru millennia of coexistence with coronaviruses.

Join the dots
1. Virus appears in Wuhan
2. China throws out the pandemic playbook and implements measures which were specifically refuted when pandemic plans were reviewed / revised as recently as 2019.
3. China leads WHO astray, then Italy, then UK (with Ferguson’s wildly over the top models). Then the rest of the world falls into line like dominoes.
4. We then realise the virus is dangerous, but by 1-2 orders of magnitude less than initially suspected. Nowhere outside Wuhan did young and middle aged drop dead in the street. It was all propaganda. The infection fatality rate has now been revised to be around 0.1%. And way less if < 60. And these figures are pre-vax.
5. The direct and indirect costs of lockdown start to emerge. They are frightening, locked in, and will play out for decades. We ain’t seen nothing yet.
6. The rest of the world opened up. Partly because shielded by vax. Partly because we realise we got it wrong. Guess which explanation is emphasised and which is downplayed.
7. Things are not back to normal, and likely never will. Things got so broke we can’t fix it. We aren’t going back to 2019. We will need to find a new normal.
8. There is now significant excess mortality - a minority appears due to C19. The majority is due to the effects of lockdown, delayed medical care, and possibly due to the vax.
9. China enters another lockdown, but this time the rest of the world ain’t buying it. China scores own goal with civil unrest and ongoing reduced integration with global economy.
10. Painted into a corner, Xi pivots. Because that’s all he can do.

We will see what happens next.

What we won’t see is millions of Chinese dying.
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Consider the US experience
https://elliottmiddleton.substack.co...lockdowns-kill
So looking at excess deaths in 2020, perhaps 58% were due to Covid and 42% were due to our various mitigations - lockdowns, deferred medical care, and probably also the vax.

Here’s the thing though
Covid deaths were overwhelmingly in the elderly. The average age of death from Covid was slightly above life expectancy.
Non-Covid deaths were overwhelmingly much younger.

Now some people argue that every life is equal. And it is in some respects. But not so when there is an opportunity cost - when spending $ and resources trying to save some people means others will die.

QALY (quality of life years) is the most accepted way to add sone objectivity to a fraught area.
QALY calculations mean that with limited resources or when a policy will benefit sone and harm others, decisions should favor those with the most time to live - not those with the least.

So although US likely prevented more deaths overall through these measures, total years of life lost were higher.

something to contemplate. And that does not even take into account the harms to the young due to reduced education, reduced social interaction, and losing those all important rites of passage.


Australia was in a different situation. We could ;and did) close our borders until we had a vaccine. It was a hell of a gamble which paid off. But contemplate the awful political conundrum had there been no vax (remember efforts failed with SARS in 2003, and there was no guarantee we would succeed this time).

Having closed the border however, internal mitigations probably did more harm overall than good.
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https://brownstone.org/articles/the-...st-generation/

This is what happens when you pursue one KPI to the exclusion of all others.

History will not judge us well. Nor should it.
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