All borders to reopen.
Or… We could have a look-see at this study:
“…study of five million clients of US Veterans Affairs health services found that for the vaccinated, reinfection resulted in more serious health outcomes than their initial infection. In other words, vaccination including boosters did not decrease the risk of reinfection among clients of US veterans health services but did increase the severity of symptoms. Nor did vaccination provide any more protection against reinfection than the unvaccinated had…”
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1749502/v1
“…study of five million clients of US Veterans Affairs health services found that for the vaccinated, reinfection resulted in more serious health outcomes than their initial infection. In other words, vaccination including boosters did not decrease the risk of reinfection among clients of US veterans health services but did increase the severity of symptoms. Nor did vaccination provide any more protection against reinfection than the unvaccinated had…”
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1749502/v1
The guy who you quoted seems a little unreliable. He's notorious for copying made up facts and disclaims any responsibility for that. He is not even a medical doctor. He has given different accounts of what subject he is a doctor in!
It's bad form to link to a report and then show a summary of it which is made up BS.
It's worth actually reading that link. The study says nothing of the sort re vaccination increasing severity of symptoms. It would be incredible if the study really said that as the whole world would be jumping on it.
The guy who you quoted seems a little unreliable. He's notorious for copying made up facts and disclaims any responsibility for that. He is not even a medical doctor. He has given different accounts of what subject he is a doctor in!
It's bad form to link to a report and then show a summary of it which is made up BS.
The guy who you quoted seems a little unreliable. He's notorious for copying made up facts and disclaims any responsibility for that. He is not even a medical doctor. He has given different accounts of what subject he is a doctor in!
It's bad form to link to a report and then show a summary of it which is made up BS.
Re the study. I revisited the study that I linked to via The Hatchard Report (THR) and noted it were an abstract of a pre-print dated 17/June/22. Following the link at that site gives the current release published 10/November/22. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02051-3
The THR claims were made reference the pre-print version. As I am unable to read the full pre-print version I do not know what changes were made for publication so am unable to comment on veracity of the conclusions that THR made. I am yet to fully read the current release.
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Last edited by Flying Binghi; 14th Nov 2022 at 18:22.
As to his Dr claims… https://hatchardreport.com/about-guy/
Certainly a bit of a ‘different’ sort of chap..
I'm pointing out the claim re the vaccinated is baseless. You added the links yourself and there's enough in them to show the report doesn't back his claim.
Your latest link has added nothing to make me believe anything he says.
Your latest link has added nothing to make me believe anything he says.
I don’t agree with every thing posted on the site: https://hatchardreport.com/
…back to the research papers. Kent Based, you do understand the difference between the preprint and published versions of a research paper ?
Or… We could have a look-see at this study:
“…study of five million clients of US Veterans Affairs health services found that for the vaccinated, reinfection resulted in more serious health outcomes than their initial infection. In other words, vaccination including boosters did not decrease the risk of reinfection among clients of US veterans health services but did increase the severity of symptoms. Nor did vaccination provide any more protection against reinfection than the unvaccinated had…”
“…study of five million clients of US Veterans Affairs health services found that for the vaccinated, reinfection resulted in more serious health outcomes than their initial infection. In other words, vaccination including boosters did not decrease the risk of reinfection among clients of US veterans health services but did increase the severity of symptoms. Nor did vaccination provide any more protection against reinfection than the unvaccinated had…”
Fear-mongering nonsense..
This VA study (like the VA long Covid study) is junk. An observational study looking for associations. That's it.
The group that got reinfected was way sicker at baseline.
Look at Supp table 1 and Supp table 6 (support data is where authors bury all the data they have to include, but know that the lay press will never read).
Way more lived in residential aged care (nursing homes) - 6.8 V 2.6%
More type 2 diabetes - 36% V 32%
More anxiety (23 v 15%) and depression (21 v 15%) - these are very significant comorbidities regarding propensity to report other symptoms)
During the FIRST infection, those patients who subsequently got reinfected were more likely to be admitted to hospital (18% V 9%), more likely to be admitted to ICU (5 V 2%), and more likely to receive antivirals & immunomodulators (17 V 12%) compared to those who didn't get reinfected. than those who didn't get infected.
The reinfected group also had a far poorer immunisation history than those who were not reinfected. Thus, 62% of those not reinfected had received no immunisations, while 87% of those reinfected had received no immunisations (this is historical data which is why these numbers are so low)
So those who got reinfected were sicker across a range of measures, had received fewer vaccinations. and their 1st infection was (not surprisingly) more severe than those who did not get reinfected.
This study only shows that frailer sicker non-immunised people do worse. That's it.
1) You saw a claim which seems incredible
2) You cut and pasted the claim without checking if it was true.
3) You also pasted the supporting link. I don't know whether you read that, understood that or even bothered to examine the link at all?
4) The fact that your link doesn't support your claim is an issue you caused by blindly cut and pasting.
I know most covid vaccine deniers like to proclaim that they "do their own research". Perhaps try examining your sources in future?
It's not difficult
1) You saw a claim which seems incredible
2) You cut and pasted the claim without checking if it was true.
3) You also pasted the supporting link. I don't know whether you read that, understood that or even bothered to examine the link at all?
4) The fact that your link doesn't support your claim is an issue you caused by blindly cut and pasting.
I know most covid vaccine deniers like to proclaim that they "do their own research". Perhaps try examining your sources in future?
1) You saw a claim which seems incredible
2) You cut and pasted the claim without checking if it was true.
3) You also pasted the supporting link. I don't know whether you read that, understood that or even bothered to examine the link at all?
4) The fact that your link doesn't support your claim is an issue you caused by blindly cut and pasting.
I know most covid vaccine deniers like to proclaim that they "do their own research". Perhaps try examining your sources in future?
Kent Based, you do understand the difference between the preprint and published versions of a research paper ?
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I understand the difference between a boomer crapping on about how bad vaccines are and the difference between a boomer with a real life. Get over it tossers…the rest of the world is getting on with it, Jesus Christ…, now go and check on your rapidly declining property investments…
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This is incorrect. Besides the fact that you are required to be vaccinated to even enter the country, masks are still required in Texas of all places at certain locations such as federal buildings and hospitals/medical buildings. Also you’ll see quite a high percentage of customer facing jobs’ employees wearing masks; more than back home anyway.
Fear-mongering nonsense..
This VA study (like the VA long Covid study) is junk. An observational study looking for associations. That's it.
The group that got reinfected was way sicker at baseline.
Look at Supp table 1 and Supp table 6 (support data is where authors bury all the data they have to include, but know that the lay press will never read).
Way more lived in residential aged care (nursing homes) - 6.8 V 2.6%
More type 2 diabetes - 36% V 32%
More anxiety (23 v 15%) and depression (21 v 15%) - these are very significant comorbidities regarding propensity to report other symptoms)
During the FIRST infection, those patients who subsequently got reinfected were more likely to be admitted to hospital (18% V 9%), more likely to be admitted to ICU (5 V 2%), and more likely to receive antivirals & immunomodulators (17 V 12%) compared to those who didn't get reinfected. than those who didn't get infected.
The reinfected group also had a far poorer immunisation history than those who were not reinfected. Thus, 62% of those not reinfected had received no immunisations, while 87% of those reinfected had received no immunisations (this is historical data which is why these numbers are so low)
So those who got reinfected were sicker across a range of measures, had received fewer vaccinations. and their 1st infection was (not surprisingly) more severe than those who did not get reinfected.
This study only shows that frailer sicker non-immunised people do worse. That's it.
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I understand the difference between a boomer crapping on about how bad vaccines are and the difference between a boomer with a real life. Get over it tossers…the rest of the world is getting on with it, Jesus Christ…, now go and check on your rapidly declining property investments…
Hmmm… things aren’t over, just yet. Many years of litigation to come..
A lot of innocent people were bullied into taking an un-proven vaccine for entirely corrupted reasons. Here’s an example of just one workplace:
“…Qantas will make it mandatory for all of its 22,000 workers to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19…
Mr Joyce said, …"Making sure they are vaccinated given the potential of this virus to spread is so important and I think it's the kind of safety leadership people would expect from us," he said.
"We provide an essential service, so this will help guard against the disruptions that can be caused by just one positive COVID case shutting down a freight facility or airport terminal."…” (18/Aug/2021)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...emic/100386206
Last edited by Flying Binghi; 17th Nov 2022 at 07:10.
Binghi, I admire your tenacity and unwavering focus.
As for Joyce's comment ("We provide an essential service"), I'd disagree there as, while it is an essential service, no, they do not provide it. "Providing," in the sense of the word as was used, is an absolute which means flights routinely would depart A for B as expected. This is far from the experience of many would-be passengers the last few years.
As for Joyce's comment ("We provide an essential service"), I'd disagree there as, while it is an essential service, no, they do not provide it. "Providing," in the sense of the word as was used, is an absolute which means flights routinely would depart A for B as expected. This is far from the experience of many would-be passengers the last few years.
Binghi, I admire your tenacity and unwavering focus.
As for Joyce's comment ("We provide an essential service"), I'd disagree there as, while it is an essential service, no, they do not provide it. "Providing," in the sense of the word as was used, is an absolute which means flights routinely would depart A for B as expected. This is far from the experience of many would-be passengers the last few years.
As for Joyce's comment ("We provide an essential service"), I'd disagree there as, while it is an essential service, no, they do not provide it. "Providing," in the sense of the word as was used, is an absolute which means flights routinely would depart A for B as expected. This is far from the experience of many would-be passengers the last few years.
…Re: now that they is all vaccinated there should be no virus issues..