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Old 26th Sep 2021, 00:33
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SOPS you certainly arenít coming across as a team player. People on the other side of the country are at breaking point, and you rub their noses in what they are missing. Pull ya head in.
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 01:42
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I hope that no one in that Optus stadium had covid.......

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Old 26th Sep 2021, 02:52
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc View Post
I hope that no one in that Optus stadium had covid.......
I sincerely hope someone did. An outbreak in WA is the only hope of boosting vaccination rates and rejoining the rest of the country anytime soon.
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 02:52
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
I think after your economy blows up next year people will be screaming to open the borders. Everyones happy until it hits their back pocket. The miners will be first and it will flow down from there. They can afford inflated wages alot of other industries can't.
That wonít just affect one state, itíll affect the whole country. Iron ore is 50% of Australiaís exports, weíve put all eggs in one basket and that basket is quite fragile, thereís a mine in the west African nation of Guinea that is planning to be outputting 10% of Australiaís total output from that one location alone in a decade.

Long term itíll hurt the entire nation and all industries, including aviation, and even completely open borders wonít be able to make up for it.
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 03:22
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective View Post
Except it's not just the vaccines, it's the promising to come home from Hawaii then not doing so until 4 hours earlier than he would have, then blaming his kids for wanting a holiday, then saying "I don't hold a hose mate", then forcing people to shake his hand for a photo opportunity, then not delivering the promised funds for rebuilding, but finding thousands for a Twitter 'Ad' for the LNP saying what a great job they're doing, then gutlessly writing a letter to Macron then claiming "the French were told" - add to that Robodebt, all the stuff ups with aged care, the NBN that cost twice as much and was half the system it was planned to be at half the cost and now they're going to spend billions more on fibre to the premises to make it what it should have bloody well been.

Covid is just another example of how this vacuous moron ducks responsibility or confrontation then throws others under the bus or uses weasel words or worse yet, just refuses to answer questions.

On top of that, all these morons marching in the streets saying their 'freedoms' have been taken away, all sleepwalk into a voting booth and vote for a government that has introduced draconian laws that allow even the military to spy on citizens.

Give me a break. The only place for retrospectiveness here is if the numb-skulls that voted for this Christian fascist at the last election had actually not just followed the crowd we may not have been in this position at all - the US had to deal with Trump and for all the criticism of Biden, he's been there 8 months and nearly 70% of the US is double vaccinated.
My point was about the negativity of some just being depressing after 18 shit months.
Hopefully the vaccinations will see 2022 heading to something approaching normal - usual normal or "new normal" or however you want to view it, should be a hell of a lot better than the last 18 months. Seems too hard for some to see it that way.

The political was in direct answer to the posters comment.
They're all as bad as each other, bugger all leadership anywhere that I can see, some dislike ScoMo, some dislike Albo....whatever.
I just stated my thought that at present ScoMo will beat Albo at the next election - wasn't saying he'd be a worthy or deserving winner but in a two horse race that's how I see the result.

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Old 26th Sep 2021, 03:37
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
... Iron ore is 50% of Australiaís exports, ...
Less than 40 percent of commodity exports by value, actually.
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 03:48
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 04:04
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Thumbs down The truth

The refusal to open the WA border has been a well hidden lie folks.
It has absolutely nothing to do with protecting the mining industry (they're all vaccinated), but everything to do with the absolute failure in the hospital system here, led no less than the ever boasting Labour Government.
As we speak, hospitals here are running at maximum capacity, and that's without Covid in the state.
Fact is that they can't cope with you rocking up with a broken leg, let alone a half a dozen Covid patients needing ICU and O2 machines.
The media seems to not see a need to highlight this fact.......
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 04:09
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Originally Posted by MickG0105 View Post
Less than 40 percent of commodity exports by value, actually.
But then ..............






From ABS 2018-19 - the most recent stats that I could find.
Iron prices would need to drop a long way before that 44% (for all export commodities) dropped below the next nearest (Qld).
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 04:22
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Originally Posted by YBRM View Post
The refusal to open the WA border has been a well hidden lie folks.
It has absolutely nothing to do with protecting the mining industry (they're all vaccinated), but everything to do with the absolute failure in the hospital system here, led no less than the ever boasting Labour Government.
As we speak, hospitals here are running at maximum capacity, and that's without Covid in the state.
Fact is that they can't cope with you rocking up with a broken leg, let alone a half a dozen Covid patients needing ICU and O2 machines.
The media seems to not see a need to highlight this fact.......
I'm not sure that the WA Govt ever specifically said that the border was being closed to protect the mining industry.
Though that is at least partially true and taken as a given.

But anyway, what do you see as being a quick fix for the current situation with hospital waiting times?
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 04:30
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Just on one point AerialPerspective, ScoMo is correct, he does not hold a hose but more than that FIRES are well and truly STATE issues, not federal in any way. Now I do agree that going on holiday was not a good look but in a practical sense the PM can and does work from anywhere.
Yes Icarus, that is true, firefighting is a State responsibility but to effectively quarantine (no pun intended as will be revealed below) the Commonwealth and ScoMo from any responsibility is to ignore reality. First, every previous PM on both sides, including Howard, stayed in the country in summer during what was expected to be a serious time for fires across the country. Secondly, as all on this forum would know, the Commonwealth is responsible for the disposition of ADF assets if allocated to fires/cleanup/support and the Commonwealth has sole responsibility for the registration and certification of aircraft and components which is how the States get their firefighting assets approved to fly here - so, in fact, the Commonwealth is central to the effort and for him (ScoMo) to go away then offer a pathetic excuse such as "... the States didn't ask for help..." is not just excuse-making but callous and ignorant on his part.

While we're on the subject of responsibility. Quarantine is NOT a State responsibility, yet ScoMo was more than happy to suggest it being flicked to the States and has done virtually zero to do anything about taking it back when it has proved that hotels are not designed for quarantine for an airborne disease. Based on his record to date, I have no doubt he orchestrated this so he could blame the States when it went bad, which it did.

Aged Care is a Commonwealth responsibility too - ScoMo is happy for States with a high infection/death rate in FEDERALLY CONTROLLED Aged Care facilities to be blamed for that too, but - and this is an old story with him - his government was warned specifically that the Aged Care sector needed reform and that something such as disease outbreak would be devastating and as usual, he and his band of no-hopers just kicked the can down the road and hoped for the best, including that pathetically inept moron he had running Aged Care who couldn't even estimate how many infections and/or deaths there had been and again fobbed off responsibility after yet another disaster.

Numerous warnings were given about Robodebt and his shower insisted it was all legal and moral - it took a decision in the High Court to ORDER the government to cease and desist on the basis, I believe it was the Justices of the Court that said "... it is nothing more than a State sponsored extortion racket...." (or words to that effect).

None of this is to have a go at you at all, as you were just pointing out a fact about responsibilities but the track record shows that this government and the concept of responsibility are distant strangers.

Every government has its problems and screw ups but this lot have elevated it to a fine art, their true medium is obfuscation of process (sports and 'everything else' rorts, etc.) and to lie, prevaricate and shift blame for things they could have been reasonably expected to know and/or act on earlier.

Not telling the French President until the night before cancelling a major contract, providing the weasel word BS answer to the Porter affair "I'm not his boss anymore" is not just disgusting, it's amoral - and this bloke claims to be a Christian.......
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 04:39
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Originally Posted by galdian View Post
My point was about the negativity of some just being depressing after 18 shit months.
Hopefully the vaccinations will see 2022 heading to something approaching normal - usual normal or "new normal" or however you want to view it, should be a hell of a lot better than the last 18 months. Seems too hard for some to see it that way.

The political was in direct answer to the posters comment.
They're all as bad as each other, bugger all leadership anywhere that I can see, some dislike ScoMo, some dislike Albo....whatever.
I just stated my thought that at present ScoMo will beat Albo at the next election - wasn't saying he'd be a worthy or deserving winner but in a two horse race that's how I see the result.

Cheers
Absolutely, I wasn't intending to argue with you, just basically state that if there were any morality or justice, this lot would be tossed out on their a-ses, in fact should have been in 2019 and yep, I fully expect there'll be a chance he'll win and if he doesn't, I'm sure there'll be stuff ups by a PM Albo down the track but I find it hard even based on previous LNP governments to expect the level of rorting, obfuscation, lying, corrupt and police-state mentality that has followed this particular government for its entire existance.

As for the electorate, their principal driver in throwing out Rudd and the ALP in 2013 was the entire Rudd/Gillard/Rudd saga - seems that doesn't bother the electorate anymore since they have still voted for a party that did exactly the same thing - not just the Liberals but the Nationals as well.

It has been a sh-t 18 months and I hope (and like you, expect) that things will improve but considering how well we came through the GFC, I just wonder if there might have been a bit less prevarication and a bit more quick action had ScoMo not been there.
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 04:47
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
So, I assume you think Bill Ď let me jog for the camera at any opportunity Ď, would have been a better PM?

And, right now, as we speak, WA is hosting a huge Covid free, mask free, restriction free Grand Final.

If you think after this, there will be any pressure to open the border, think again. No one here wants Gladbags .. we have to live with it and people will die.. it may not last here.. but at the moment life is good. We will keep Mark, you can have Gladys.
I don't know who you were responding to, but it doesn't seem to be me as you appear to be stating what I think anyway.

I have no opinion on Shorten, but I do think based on their handling of previous crises that an ALP government might have been a bit more pro-active in getting ready for this, I don't think Shorten would have gone on an overseas holiday when the country was on fire. Bill never lit the world on fire with his personality and he carried a substantial amount of baggage into the job, including not learning from the lesson of previous oppositions in that presenting a large target gets you beaten. I do however think that franking credits was a totally sensible policy and overdue - it was one of those bribes that Howard dolled out when it cost practically nothing and it has now grown to a ridiculous level - BUT, they should have grandfathered it, to not do so was dumb and arrogant.

I don't actually blame WA for staying closed, if they've basically got to zero covid virtually, why would you open yourself up to the disaster that is Gladwrap.......
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 04:50
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Numerous warnings were given about Robodebt and his shower insisted it was all legal and moral - it took a decision in the High Court to ORDER the government to cease and desist on the basis, I believe it was the Justices of the Court that said "... it is nothing more than a State sponsored extortion racket...." (or words to that effect).
That didn't happen. What happened was even more morally egregious.

The Federal Court (not High Court) action was settled without the Commonwealth admitting liability. That's so that the government could claim - and of course has claimed - that no court has found the extortion racket to be unlawful.

A few of the victims had earlier taken the Commonwealth to the AAT, and the Commonwealth would capitulate before any adverse finding. There were plenty of warnings from the AAT, but of course the AAT is not a court...
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 05:18
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... thereís a mine in the west African nation of Guinea that is planning to be outputting 10% of Australiaís total output from that one location alone ...
Doubtless you have seen the shipping distance from Guinea to China, and are aware of the sort of sovereign and geopolitical risks involved.
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 05:20
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
That didn't happen. What happened was even more morally egregious.

The Federal Court (not High Court) action was settled without the Commonwealth admitting liability. That's so that the government could claim - and of course has claimed - that no court has found the extortion racket to be unlawful.

A few of the victims had earlier taken the Commonwealth to the AAT, and the Commonwealth would capitulate before any adverse finding. There were plenty of warnings from the AAT, but of course the AAT is not a court...
I stand corrected....... and in no surprise or shock that it was worse than I had stated.... as for the AAT, it's a well known fact that occasionally, governments of all persuasions nominate or appoint their 'mates' to government bodies - but since 2013, the Federal Government has practically changed the complexion of the AAT by appointing anyone with any link to the LNP - at least one person I can think of in NSW was appointed who's qualifications were allegedly being a Flight Attendant with a major airline and a dedicated supporter of Tony Abbott. I'm not saying the person was a bad individual, just that if the bar has been lowered to that extent, what background or basis are individuals using for their decisions on the AAT.

Fair Work Australia is another example, where the Feds have effectively increased the size of the Fair Work Commission so people of their 'line of thought' or ideology now dominate it. As I stated above, both parties have been known to appoint the occasional mate (Hawke appointing the opposition leader he replaced as GG, etc., McGowan appointing Kim Beazely as State Governor, etc.) but like with so many other things, this current federal government has elevated it to an art form.

Let me see, stealing money off poor people, locking up a family on an island at the cost of millions then finally issuing visas only to leave one of them out (a child) so they can say they did a compassionate thing when they know they did it in a way to obfuscate as usual, doing nothing about Aged Care, cutting funding to everything they don't like, stacking tribunals and courts with their apologists, knowing there's a problem, doing nothing then ducking for cover, refusing to sack a person with a giant question mark over them, then when asked if he has any comment saying "I'm not his boss anymore", rorting every cent that can quietly rort to basically buy votes in marginal LNP seats.

No wonder they don't want a Federal ICAC.......
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 05:27
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Agree entirely. I do laugh that in the mid-2000s a coalition government was on a path to abolish the Commonwealth AAT. Now it's a dumping ground for political mates and others owed favours.

I also laugh at those who think Labor will set up a Federal ICAC with any teeth when it's Labor's next turn in government. The current chest-beating from opposition is easy and risk-free.
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 05:55
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Agree entirely. I do laugh that in the mid-2000s a coalition government was on a path to abolish the Commonwealth AAT. Now it's a dumping ground for political mates and others owed favours.

I also laugh at those who think Labor will set up a Federal ICAC with any teeth when it's Labor's next turn in government. The current chest-beating from opposition is easy and risk-free.
Agree. The only likelihood of it happening is if there is a a proposal and it has amendments forced by the cross-bench and happens at the same time as a critical piece of legislation, enabling those holding the balance of power in the Senate to force it to have teeth.

I completely disagree with the LNP's weak as water proposal in this area but I do agree that there would need to be some sort of catch all that prevents the wasting of public money, if, for instance, a politician inadvertantly carried a paper clip out of the building BUT, it does need to address obvious corruption via a set of basic principles I think.

I don't know why, but it puts me in mind of the manifesto of the Monster Raving Loony Party in the UK....... "If we are elected, we will immediately establish a frivolous fraud squad, in order to take on fraud that is not serious enough for the serious fraud squad."

Another of theirs - "We will ban greyhound racing, in order to stop the country going to the dogs."
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 09:36
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Miles today. Why would we open borders and let the virus in this Christmas. I donít think itís what Queenslanders want.

Yes Miles!!! Itís what I want. Open the frickin borders, letís infect everyone and just get the hell on with things right? I mean everyoneís going to get infected anyway right!??

Fools.

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Old 26th Sep 2021, 09:54
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"The community cases have actually gone up since reaching 80 per cent coverage, in part because we're allowing more social events for those who are vaccinated and, I dare say, more fatigue at the control measures," Mr Cook told the ABC.
"One main lesson from across South-East Asia is that it is incredibly hard to prevent Delta's spread and, as Singapore shows, even high vaccination rates will not help that much,"

Singapore, like Australia, has also not yet opened COVID vaccinations up to children aged under 12.

Dr Leong said 80 per cent was "not good enough because it can still burden the hospital system very significantly and there will be too many excess deaths".

"The numbers are mind-boggling, given what's possible over the next few weeks," he said.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison set a vaccination target as part of his four-step opening plan for Australia, with phase C triggered when double vaccination reached 80 per cent.

However, Australia's threshold is actually lower because it is based on the population aged over 16.

Singapore's threshold is based on the total population.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-...rmal/100450154

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