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Old 10th Aug 2020, 03:32
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Victoria went hard at it in name only. There was a lot of tough talking without substance to follow it.

On the ground, some sectors of the community were ignoring the requirements and were not being punished for doing so.

Some other states took non-compliance much more seriously than Victoria. The crackdown has come in Victoria but it was too late.

For all the negativity that was flung at WA, it has made the right decisions.
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Old 10th Aug 2020, 03:54
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Originally Posted by CamelSquadron View Post
For all the negativity that was flung at WA, it has made the right decisions.
WA has made the right decisions for WA only, and to hell with the rest of the country.

McGowan was whinging about all those positive results from "the eastern states", without mentioning that the vast majority of international arrivals came through those eastern states after he had a dummy spit about the number of arrivals through Perth and got that cut back to some ridiculously low percentage. He is now, effectively, holding several of my colleagues hostage in WA as if they were to dare leave WA to, you know, to maybe be with their families they haven't seen since February/March, they will not be allowed back into WA. No entry = no work = no pay, conversely, there are several more of my colleagues who want to get in to get back to work, and you guessed it, no entry = no work = no pay. Never mind the fact none of them are in a Covid hotspot, "they're from NSW/Vic so they're carrying The Pestilence"...

About time WA realised they need to carry their share of the load.
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Old 10th Aug 2020, 04:11
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Think they are doing their share of the heavy lifting actually... someone has to keep the lights on.
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Old 10th Aug 2020, 05:45
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I wonder what more you think should be done....perhaps 24 hour lockdown, Tanks in the street, armed soldiers patrolling with orders to shoot those out and about?


Does have that East German feel to it. Nothing like trying to jump that wall into NSW/QLD. Our Charlie is now check point Albury.
On a serious note at least cases are starting to drop slowly in Vic. Last 6 days the trend started at 714, then a series of low 400s, 386, and today 323.
What is that community transmission reduced published level? What model is Dan basing his numbers too? Wish he could tell us.
The numbers in Mexico (that's the real mexicans; people) have gone absolutely nuts. Yesterday was 6500 cases and 700 deaths.
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Old 10th Aug 2020, 07:15
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What model is Dan basing his numbers too? Wish he could tell us.
Once again, he's holding onto the modelling...

Some strange cats in WA. Don't mention you're from the East Coast if you want to make friends anywhere North of the 'big smoke'. Just say you're from down South and they'll assume PER.
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Old 10th Aug 2020, 07:39
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I do suspect that I can guess exactly 'wot' he is holding onto...................

Any Takers..?????????

Cheeerrrsss............................
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Old 10th Aug 2020, 10:36
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Playing hardball with state borders seems to be the new normal.

It seems to be heading in the direction that they will remain closed until December 31. With conditions attached on travel the day they open.

The PM would not speculate dates when asked today but just forecasted ‘probably summer’.
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Old 10th Aug 2020, 11:45
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
Playing hardball with state borders seems to be the new normal.

It seems to be heading in the direction that they will remain closed until December 31. With conditions attached on travel the day they open.

The PM would not speculate dates when asked today but just forecasted ‘probably summer’.
You may have missed it..but our Premier in WA said yesterday that our border may stay closed for another year!!!
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Old 10th Aug 2020, 12:40
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Don't you love how one man, who is not even an elected official, can stop 14.5 million people from entering a state - and none of those ~15M people have any legal recourse to challenge that decision? That this one man can dictate terms to over half the country is an affront to both the concept of a nation and our constitution that protects freedom of movement between the states and freedom of disability or discrimination based on your state.
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Old 10th Aug 2020, 14:01
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The longer this goes on the more frustration will take place. Victorians will start to get anxious about everything in life, jobs/relationships/finance as I heard
callers on talk back radio today. All state premiers have subtlety jibed each other, last week Josh Fry has basically said fix the bloody problem Dan your holding me up.
You can see the tension and you can see they are all under pressure. The barbs could get worse as we go on. A lot is at stake in these next 5 weeks. I know 601 you mentioned it's not a time frame.
However were homo sapien, creatures of the social variety and being locked in for 23 hours and some shopping within 5km and curfew from 8 will start to do your head in. More frustration will accumulate.

The press conferences are just dower. Just a numbers game. How about bringing in a herbalist, natural path, (Jenny and Brett) to provide ideas how to improve your immune system.
What a dam good idea?
Have you ever listened to the House of Wellness Gerald Quigley a week ago he even aired some good studies in zinc/magnesium/Vit D. Well how interesting.
All the draconian restrictions does nothing but lower your immune system. Now that's a bad idea. Why, because of the emotional/physical/chemical stresses which also leads to eating too
much junk food, those chains outlets remain open, funny that in a pandemic. Good model this one.

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Old 10th Aug 2020, 22:30
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He said they could not put a date on easing border restrictions, it could be a month or it could be a year link here for one article. Interesting quote tho "Mr McGowan has previous ruled out a travel bubble with other states which have maintained low cases, and says the eastern states will have to eliminate community spread before he will consider lifting border restrictions".

As for QLD, I believe they will remain closed definitely until November after the election and realistically until it has been eradicated in NSW and Victoria so get ready for potentially years of this, Aviation will now be by far biggest hit at the end of this. With no vaccine on the horizon and if there were would you inject it?! I know I wouldn't.

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Old 10th Aug 2020, 23:35
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
. With no vaccine on the horizon and if there were would you inject it?! I know I wouldn't.
Except for the 150 vaccine candidates in clinical trial, including the front runner oxford vaccine which has shown a strong antibody and T cell immune response as well as no adverse side effects.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/oxford-c...an-trials-show

Perhaps we have different definitions of 'on the horizon' or perhaps you take joy in being a doomsday soothsayer, but if a vaccine is 6-12 months away, I would call that on the horizon.

And yes, if it has passed all the clinical trials, I wouldn't have an issue taking it.
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Old 11th Aug 2020, 03:59
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Definitely not a doomsday sayer more I’ve been optimistic with my colleagues with this. The time has come to be realistic also on the severity of the situation the suppression/eradication boat has long sailed in NSW and VIC it will not happen unless we stop international arrivals and do a full lock down in NSW along with VIC, as no one wants to learn to live with it that’s only option. I just hope AJ 3 yr plan still include me in it, along with my colleagues.
WA can support domestic travel with in their own border QLD they can also. As for the rest of the states we can’t. word is international travel won’t be allowed until 2022 now, unless there is a vaccine or eradication Domestic will not return anytime soon, I can’t see it coming back this yr.
I hear you with those vaccines I also have been keeping an eye on what’s going on, but, I’m sure their own country like (UK) for Oxford or (USA) moderna will fast track approval but what’s the bet Australian approval will not be so quick without proper research and testing no one will sign off on its use in Australia.
Next big question, how do current airlines operating in WA and QLD keep their pilots current without having to fork out 14 days of hotel accomodation upon their return! Virgin could very well be the only airline flying in QLD as they have a sim in Brisbane, no idea where Alliance is.
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Old 11th Aug 2020, 05:22
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Get ready for back to the future. A few decades ago you had to present a yellow-covered international health record of vaccinations. No jab, no fly. Pretty simple. I can imagine that the government (and airlines, for that matter) to require evidence of vaccination to cross state borders. Certainly international ones.

Australia does not require local stage three testing for medicines for what should be obvious reasons. That’s what peer reviewed science is for, and federal approvals in the jurisdictions of invention. Just like aircraft type certificates haven't been (pre-max) second guessed for 25 or so years now.
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Old 11th Aug 2020, 05:42
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post
Get ready for back to the future. A few decades ago you had to present a yellow-covered international health record of vaccinations. No jab, no fly. Pretty simple. I can imagine that the government (and airlines, for that matter) to require evidence of vaccination to cross state borders. Certainly international ones.

Australia does not require local stage three testing for medicines for what should be obvious reasons. That’s what peer reviewed science is for, and federal approvals in the jurisdictions of invention. Just like aircraft type certificates haven't been (pre-max) second guessed for 25 or so years now.
Already a number of African countries require a Yellow Fever vaccination card before allowing entry into their country. This will just extend with Covid. Countries will not permit entry of non-vaccinated travelers which will need to be supported by a vaccination card or passport stamp and insurance companies will refuse to cover them. You can be an anti-vaxxer but you'd better be one that doesn't want to travel.
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Old 11th Aug 2020, 07:59
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My airline still requires all crew to have the little yellow booklet showing all our vaccinations. Agree with the sentiment above that the (to use an already tired term) 'new norm' will have international (or even interstate) travellers to be vaccinated, and hence for the yellow book to be needed again. No inoculation, no travel. At least that would bring our industry a bit of much needed normalcy.

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Old 11th Aug 2020, 10:53
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Wow. Auckland back on Stage 3 tomorrow. Rest of NZ stage 2.

Outbreaks incoming...
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Old 11th Aug 2020, 11:20
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Wow. Auckland back on Stage 3 tomorrow. Rest of NZ stage 2.

Outbreaks incoming...
And NT closing borders for the next 18 months!!!

I have never been into conspiracy theories.. but the way this thing pops up
with no known source .. it’s almost like there are ‘ sleeper agents’ that are dropping it into the population.
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Old 11th Aug 2020, 11:22
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Gunner is just trying to show some authority. I think most of our friends in the NT can see through his BS.
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Old 11th Aug 2020, 11:23
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https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-z...wednesday.html
Struth 4 cases. Lockdown stage 3 for only 3 days.
So if Jacinta was Victoria's premier we would need to get to 4 cases for stage 3 to occur. Wow just wow.
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