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Old 29th May 2021, 04:26
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer View Post
Yes. Whatever works. Tough situation (the pandemic, not all the other sh!t) all round for politicians, we shouldnít be too hard on them. I can see what the federal government was trying to do and I also can see why the States went their own way. Itís one thing to tap on our keyboards and be critical and quite another to stand up in front of the media, constituents and business leaders to deliver a decision which is not going to be popular, trusting the public servants around you have given you the right data/information/facts/statistics. Would you honestly want to be in their shoes? Thereís obviously a lot going on behind the scenes which we are not privy to. Not long to go now.
actually I would hate being any world leader or indeed state leader now.

same goes for being treasurer or health minister / head of health.

having said that I think there are certain behaviours that are unacceptable. Like not getting vaccinated.
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Old 29th May 2021, 04:57
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This Dr is remarkably sensible for an American.
His chanel attempt to present an unbiased medically based view.
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Old 29th May 2021, 05:17
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Amazing how much context seems to be presented for vaccine related deaths and injury, but not so much for Covid 19 itself
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Old 29th May 2021, 06:40
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Got more chance of getting hit by a bus than getting blood clots post the jab.

Getting vaccinated is common sense in my opinion. It is also common sense for the authorities to allow vaccinated people to travel freely anywhere in the world and be exempt from quarantine.
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Old 29th May 2021, 07:38
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It is also common sense for the authorities to allow vaccinated people to travel freely anywhere in the world and be exempt from quarantine.

You are kidding right?

You do know that you can still get COVID and spread it after the jab don't you.
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Old 29th May 2021, 07:40
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
You are kidding right? You do know that you can still get COVID and spread it after the jab don't you.
So where and how does it end? Even more so after a negative PCR test? Evidence shows that transmission is significantly diminished.

Meanwhile, in the "dangerous UK", the roads last night were chok-a-block going to domestic resorts as a holiday weekend and good weather finally comes around.
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Old 29th May 2021, 07:40
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You do know that you can still get COVID and spread it after the jab don't you.
All the more reason for the country to vaccinate! I know that's pretty difficult because it's not like we make it in country or anything.

Oh that's right...

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Old 29th May 2021, 08:25
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So when should we open up? 6 months after being vaccinated? 12 months? If you have had the opportunity to have the vaccine and refused well you should be released to the hounds. And don’t whinge about people with disorders and immune problems, that’s always been the case and Influenza picks them off regardless. You need to make precautions if you are immuno compromised anyway…
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Old 29th May 2021, 08:46
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Having endured significant financial stress as a result of the pandemic like most in the aviation industry, I simply donít care what the armchair experts and those who havenít been significantly effected think.

Get Jabbed, itís the best defence we have now which will support our health and economy to get back to some form of normalcy - whatever that we be in 5 years.
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Old 29th May 2021, 09:38
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Originally Posted by Angle of Attack View Post
So when should we open up? 6 months after being vaccinated? 12 months? If you have had the opportunity to have the vaccine and refused well you should be released to the hounds. And donít whinge about people with disorders and immune problems, thatís always been the case and Influenza picks them off regardless. You need to make precautions if you are immuno compromised anywayÖ
We shouldn't open up until an interest group of scientists says so in the Lancet.
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Old 29th May 2021, 09:39
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
You are kidding right?

You do know that you can still get COVID and spread it after the jab don't you.
Like the flu?
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Old 29th May 2021, 11:13
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Some very self-centered people with very narrow views that think they have done it hard during this World Wide pandemic.

Pretty much no country other than North Korea has enough immunity to open up yet and many other countries simply do not have the resources, funds or capability to vaccinate even a small percentage of the citizens that want to get vaccinated - for many it will only ever be a dream to get vaccinated.

Here in Australia a first World nation we have hardly touched the surface with vaccinations (so much so it is embarrassing).

Yet the High and Mighty think that just because they have been fortunate enough to get vaccinated, that the World should instantly open up just for them!

Bugger the rest of the World Citizens, that you can easily infect by carrying the virus to what even destination you feel you have the right to visit.

Must love the self-righteous arrogance of some.
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Old 29th May 2021, 11:45
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
Some very self-centered people with very narrow views that think they have done it hard during this World Wide pandemic.

Pretty much no country other than North Korea has enough immunity to open up yet and many other countries simply do not have the resources, funds or capability to vaccinate even a small percentage of the citizens that want to get vaccinated - for many it will only ever be a dream to get vaccinated.

Here in Australia a first World nation we have hardly touched the surface with vaccinations (so much so it is embarrassing).

Yet the High and Mighty think that just because they have been fortunate enough to get vaccinated, that the World should instantly open up just for them!

Bugger the rest of the World Citizens, that you can easily infect by carrying the virus to what even destination you feel you have the right to visit.

Must love the self-righteous arrogance of some.
So how have you been directly effected by the pandemic?

Iíve been out of full time employment for over 12 months, compounding unpaid debts over my head and I have recently had to sell my car in an attempt to financially recover. I elected not to go on the doll and worked my way out of the mess, which I have successfully done,

How dare you refer to me as being self centred and opinionated and all the rest of the drivel - thatís an insult!

Anyone who has been stood down, terminated from their employment or business owners who were forced into restricting or ceasing their business activities, due to the pandemic would probably feel the same way as I do. Overall I havenít done to bad getting through the mess, however I know others have and still are suffering financial stress and potential ruin. We need a solution, the vaccines are the best we have now to reduce the deaths and bring things back to some form of normalcy.


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Old 29th May 2021, 11:56
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Yet the High and Mighty think that just because they have been fortunate enough to get vaccinated, that the World should instantly open up just for them!
Not quite. I think most on here are calling for a pathway from this crisis. To move Australia from these ceaseless knee jerk lockdowns. What is the official word from the Federal Government? A little tid bit burried somewhere in the latest Federal Budget that somewhat whispers the point the country might open mid 2022. That we might have everyone vaccinated by the end of 2021.

The UK has a public plan to open the country, provided nothing dramatic changes. The EU is planning to open to vaccinated travellers in this year's Northern summer. The US is tipped to reach 90% vaccination by end of July (if current inoculation rates continue at their current pace). Phuket (not the rest of Thailand) will be opening to vaccinated tourists later this year.

We have heard nothing but doom and gloom and buck passing from SloMo. At least Boris Johnson and Joe Biden have announced time frames to get their countries out. Our PM knows that it would be to his political detriment if he were to place any time based targets to policy as he has failed to meet any he has set himself thus far.

But apparently Australia can wait. Experts and Melbournians would beg to differ.

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Old 29th May 2021, 21:27
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot View Post
So how have you been directly effected by the pandemic?

Iíve been out of full time employment for over 12 months, compounding unpaid debts over my head and I have recently had to sell my car in an attempt to financially recover. I elected not to go on the doll and worked my way out of the mess, which I have successfully done,

How dare you refer to me as being self centred and opinionated and all the rest of the drivel - thatís an insult!
I work in aviation, general aviation and have since the mid 80's - I have like pretty much everyone else in this industry have been "directly effected" financially and other.

I learnt from this experience - there is a lot of things that make a life.
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Old 29th May 2021, 21:35
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This latest outbreak is what our country needed, good kick up the a$$ to go get vaccinated so we can get on with it. Melbourne seeing record numbers for the uptake even lining up for hours already this morning.
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Old 29th May 2021, 21:42
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Originally Posted by Fuel-Off View Post
Not quite. I think most on here are calling for a pathway from this crisis. To move Australia from these ceaseless knee jerk lockdowns. What is the official word from the Federal Government? A little tid bit burried somewhere in the latest Federal Budget that somewhat whispers the point the country might open mid 2022. That we might have everyone vaccinated by the end of 2021.

The UK has a public plan to open the country, provided nothing dramatic changes. The EU is planning to open to vaccinated travellers in this year's Northern summer. The US is tipped to reach 90% vaccination by end of July (if current inoculation rates continue at their current pace). Phuket (not the rest of Thailand) will be opening to vaccinated tourists later this year.

We have heard nothing but doom and gloom and buck passing from SloMo. At least Boris Johnson and Joe Biden have announced time frames to get their countries out. Our PM knows that it would be to his political detriment if he were to place any time based targets to policy as he has failed to meet any he has set himself thus far.

But apparently Australia can wait. Experts and Melbournians would beg to differ.

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Good post Fuel-Off.

Our governments (Australia) have not been united (they are self-centered) and have no real future plan/path for next week, next month or next year.

Our opening up of borders around the World should happen in my opinion after we sort our own back yard we as a country clearly are far from that.
After that we should assist our near neighbors particularly in the South Pacific to have sufficient vaccination levels and evacuation procedures for visitors. After that assist in the greater World with vaccination and evacuation/isolation procedures of visitors.

When the World is on a somewhat equal risk level vs vaccination uptake we can look at open borders for ALL.

Many will think this World level of Vaccination and evacuation/isolation is not our responsibility or over the top - it should be looked at at a practice run for the next event.
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Old 29th May 2021, 21:43
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Iíve learnt from experiences as well like most others - I just donít like to be insulted on a public forum for expressing my opinion.

Happy Sunday 😀
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Old 29th May 2021, 21:44
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Originally Posted by Fuel-Off View Post

We have heard nothing but doom and gloom and buck passing from SloMo. At least Boris Johnson and Joe Biden have announced time frames to get their countries out. Our PM knows that it would be to his political detriment if he were to place any time based targets to policy as he has failed to meet any he has set himself thus far.
This just in, politicians play politics! Absolute shocker!!!

Consider Melbourne lucky - they havenít been overrun by rodents (yet).
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Old 29th May 2021, 22:36
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
This latest outbreak is what our country needed, good kick up the a$$ to go get vaccinated so we can get on with it. Melbourne seeing record numbers for the uptake even lining up for hours already this morning.
I think you have hit the nail on the head(many will disagree of course).
There is risk in everything we do but it doesnt stop us doing it in almost all the decisions we make.
In my humble opinion we need to get vaccinated to reduce the risk of lockdowns,virus spread & maybe dying in extreme cases.
Surgery comes with a risk of dying but if somebody happens to pass whilst having surgery we dont see it on the front page of a newspaper or have every media drive show host telling you how risky it is to have surgery.
Keep it up melbourne😀
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