VA pilots worried about employment 2021

[Chris2303]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120...er-coronavirus

"Virgin Australia hasn't decided whether it will resume flights to New Zealand"

An earlier version of this story categorically said that international flights from/to NZ would NOT resume

[wheels_down]

The plan appears to be return same day frequencies across the ditch with Aussie based 737 crews. Same day returns.

I would say the Kiwi schedule would be back to basic. MEL/BNE/SYD-Akl once Daily. Seasonal Queenstown. Dunedin no chance. Wellington questionable. Christchurch daily from perhaps one city.

By no means whatsoever will they have the crew to even contemplate returning to the pre NZ schedule. Considering picking up Tiger Flying also, plus say a quarter/half of the NZ current operation, I assume the A330 Pilots are going back to the 737 otherwise they appear to be short on bods.

[-41]

Para377, has there been a Luna tick outbreak in your town?

This hysteria will pass, to give you perspective 4109 people die from TB daily.

[directimped]

Originally Posted by -41

This hysteria will pass, to give you perspective 4109 people die from TB daily.

ignorant comment, do you think world governments are shutting down society for fun or because of public hysteria? No, it is simple maths. Exponential outbreak. 1 person can infect over 3 more and so on. Cases double every 3-5 days. Hospitals weren't designed for that and wouldn't collapse under the demand very quickly.

[John Citizen]

, to give you perspective 4109 people die from TB daily.

To give you perspective
- TB has a vaccine, is curable and preventable
- TB is not so contagious
- TB deaths are not increasing at an exponential rate
- about 3500 died from Covid-19 yesterday, next week it will be well above 5,000 in 1 day (well above the 4109). Last week there was about 1,600 deaths in 1 day. This week 3,500 in 1 day. Next week you can expect about 7,000 at this rate. Just do the Maths to work out how much will die in 6 month at this rate.

[Paragraph377]

Originally Posted by -41

Para377, has there been a Luna tick outbreak in your town?

This hysteria will pass, to give you perspective 4109 people die from TB daily.

The Troll returns. Some of the biggest lunatics are trolls such as yourself. Obviously -41 is your IQ. Go bury your head back in the sand Alice and click your shoes three times and say ‘this will soon be over, this will soon be over, this will be soon be over’.

[DanV2]

Federal government rules out 'nationalising' VA or QF.

Source: https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...a-nationalised

[0ttoL]

Article from Bloomberg:

The Airlines Most in Danger of Going Under During the Crisis

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...2-billion-blow

Mentions Virgin among many others based on "Using the Z-score method developed by Edward Altman in the 1960s to predict bankruptcies"
I have no idea what that all means, but my thoughts are with the people involved in our airline industry.
Best of Luck to All!

[-41]

Originally Posted by Paragraph377

The Troll returns. Some of the biggest lunatics are trolls such as yourself. Obviously -41 is your IQ. Go bury your head back in the sand Alice and click your shoes three times and say ‘this will soon be over, this will soon be over, this will be soon be over’.

I understand your scared, and want to lash out. Have a look at what epidemiologist Neil Ferguson has done with his updated modelling. 2.2 million deaths was predicated in USA (which was not plausible) it’s been dropped by a factor of 20 so perhaps 90000 deaths in USA, perhaps 20,000 deaths in the UK and could be substantially lower.

It will pass, relax. Be positive.

[directimped]

Originally Posted by -41

I understand your scared, and want to lash out. Have a look at what epidemiologist Neil Ferguson has done with his updated modelling. 2.2 million deaths was predicated in USA (which was not plausible) it’s been dropped by a factor of 20 so perhaps 90000 deaths in USA, perhaps 20,000 deaths in the UK and could be substantially lower.

It will pass, relax. Be positive.

You still don't seem to understand. This isn't about how many people will 'die' from the virus. It is about the capacity of the health system. If too many people catch the virus, then hospitals will be overwhelmed which will lead to many deaths, even ones completely unrelated to the virus. Do you understand that more patients than beds is a bad thing?

[junior.VH-LFA]

Originally Posted by -41

I understand your scared, and want to lash out. Have a look at what epidemiologist Neil Ferguson has done with his updated modelling. 2.2 million deaths was predicated in USA (which was not plausible) it’s been dropped by a factor of 20 so perhaps 90000 deaths in USA, perhaps 20,000 deaths in the UK and could be substantially lower.

It will pass, relax. Be positive.

How is it possible with so much peer reviewed academic information out there that you are able to be so ill informed?

The death rate from the virus, while not irrelevant, is certainly not the biggest issue governments are dealing with. What will happen to the car crash victim when every single ICU bed in the country is dealing with COVID-19 patients because we didn't flatten the curve? That's the problem.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp...5HGdLRjJbRge7A

Herre's a good paper from the Imperial College London. Go have a read.

[Paragraph377]

Originally Posted by -41

I understand your scared, and want to lash out. Have a look at what epidemiologist Neil Ferguson has done with his updated modelling. 2.2 million deaths was predicated in USA (which was not plausible) it’s been dropped by a factor of 20 so perhaps 90000 deaths in USA, perhaps 20,000 deaths in the UK and could be substantially lower.
It will pass, relax. Be positive.

I am relaxed in regards to the COVID outbreak. As for being scared, huh. If you had lived in my shoes for a few years you would know that nothing scares me, well nothing except perhaps being a passenger in a plane that is being flown by someone like you with your poor mental health.I don’t believe Governments and I don’t believe mainstream media, and I don’t believe that the pandemic will be as bad as both of these sources are making out. I don’t wear a tinfoil hat either, but world Governments are notorious for making monumental blunders and I believe shutting down the global economy will turn out to be one of mankind’s biggest clusterf#cks. Only time will tell.

[-41]

I never disputed that. Merely pointing out the weak will die and humanity will continue.

[junior.VH-LFA]

Originally Posted by Paragraph377

I am relaxed in regards to the COVID outbreak. As for being scared, huh. If you had lived in my shoes for a few years you would know that nothing scares me, well nothing except perhaps being a passenger in a plane that is being flown by someone like you with your poor mental health.I don’t believe Governments and I don’t believe mainstream media, and I don’t believe that the pandemic will be as bad as both of these sources are making out. I don’t wear a tinfoil hat either, but world Governments are notorious for making monumental blunders and I believe shutting down the global economy will turn out to be one of mankind’s biggest clusterf#cks. Only time will tell.

If social distancing works, then it will feel like a massive over reaction. That's kind of the point. The ideal scenario here is that it does seem "underwhelming" which means that the measures were successful. I think that's something that is going to be hard for people to reconcile in the future; it might feel like all of this is for nothing. The reality may very well be that all of this meant everything.

I agree there probably should have been a discussion of what X looks like in an equation of what damage you're willing to accept virus wise to protect the economy, but it's also probably too late for that.

[directimped]

We live in a post truth age. No matter how many scientists come and warn about the effects of global warming, coronavirus, whatever else, no matter how much evidence they give, it is never enough. Someone always knows better, and they will always reference the 1% who have an opposing view, no matter the effect on others. It is a sad reflection of our society.

Just watch these people stoop to new lows when flying slowly resumes. If you haven't seen how pathetic people can be, you are about to.
​​​​​

[-41]

Originally Posted by Paragraph377

I am relaxed in regards to the COVID outbreak. As for being scared, huh. If you had lived in my shoes for a few years you would know that nothing scares me, well nothing except perhaps being a passenger in a plane that is being flown by someone like you with your poor mental health.I don’t believe Governments and I don’t believe mainstream media, and I don’t believe that the pandemic will be as bad as both of these sources are making out. I don’t wear a tinfoil hat either, but world Governments are notorious for making monumental blunders and I believe shutting down the global economy will turn out to be one of mankind’s biggest clusterf#cks. Only time will tell.

yes I agree with your sentiments, maybe not the diagnosis on my mental health or flying ability.
I feel that this hysterical main stream media response is fear porn.

[Led Zeppelin]

As long there is not too much early relaxation to minimise the effect of a second wave of COVID - international restrictions may last much longer than an earlier relaxation domestically in Australia.

[directimped]

Originally Posted by -41

yes I agree with your sentiments, maybe not the diagnosis on my mental health or flying ability.
I feel that this hysterical main stream media response is fear porn.

Well you could always get your news from a reputable source like the ABC or such instead of junk sources like channel 7 or 9.

[B772]

longjohn: Do not make a comment if you do not know the accurate facts. At the end of the day SQ were prevented from taking over AN by John Howard. Geoff Dixon of QF got in the ear of John Howard. SQ wanted rights to the trans pacific and had ideas of operating round the world flights such as BA and UA had at times. QF had objected each time SQ applied for traffic rights trans pacific. QF were petrified of SQ at the time. One of the arguments SQ used was they allowed QF to pick up and put down in SIN enroute to LHR and MAN. SQ wanted rights to pick up and put down in SIN enroute to LAX and SFO.

[DanV2]

SQ was actually blocked by NZ the first time around from acquiring News Corp's 50% of AN.

The bloke running NZ (aka Selwyn 'Borghetti' Cushing) used his veto to block SQ from purchasing AN purely due to his ego despite fully knowing his company didn't have the balance sheet to fix an ailing AN.
The then-AN CEO Eddington left not soon after and Cushing installed his hapless 'sidekick' Gary Toomey as CEO of the combined group.

The AU feds and QF had little to nothing to do with the final days of the AN stakeholder situation. The NZ feds may had issues with SQ stake in NZ from memory prior to the AN collapse.

Source: https://australianaviation.com.au/20...sett-collapse/