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Old 18th Dec 2019, 06:36
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post
So if you donít echo the opinion of others youíre labelled a management troll?

The only way I could refute that would be to break the anonymity of this forum, which of course I will not.

People have different opinions on this situation. You donít have to agree with them, but you definitely donít need to vilify them.
Did you vote for PIA then?
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 06:42
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Put him on ignore, its now patently clear he's not here to discuss or debate, but to evade and incite. The very definition of a troll. Read his post history, he/she is clearly QF management.

Count the number of times he's avoided my specific addressing and rebuttal of his posts ECAM. This has nothing to do with labeling dissenting opinions adversely, and everything to do with his intent, which is now clear.
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 06:44
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One thing that I think gets forgotten by many is the 10% equivalent wage freeze suffered by all in the Qantas group. When record amounts of money are going to management and Jetstar pilots I think it is fair to say are paid under what they should be.
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 07:01
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Originally Posted by Paddleboat View Post
he/she is clearly QF management.

This has nothing to do with labeling dissenting opinions adversely, and everything to do with his intent, which is now clear.
You have no idea who I am, who I work for, what I do or even what sex I maybe. You have absolutely no idea.

You are doing exactly what you are claiming you are not doing. You are talking with a forked tongue. You are labeling a dissenting opinion because you dont like it.

Based on this behaviour, can anyone believe a single word you write in this forum? You say one thing but do the opposite.

Anyway lets stop playing the person here and try to stick to the underlying topic. I wont say anymore on this.

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Old 18th Dec 2019, 07:15
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Originally Posted by CamelSquadron
Based on this behaviour, can anyone believe a single word you write in this forum? You say one thing but do the opposite.
This entire paragraph is a non sequitur. I haven't written anything that requires 'believing'. I have repeatedly challenged your false assertions, and you have repeatedly ignored them at your convenience.

So, now that you've shown you're able to see my posts, I have written 2 in direct response to you, challenging the assertions you have made in this thread. I have repeatedly given you opportunity to respond to the points I've made, only to be met with silence. Stop ignoring arguments you don't like and address what has been said.

You can start here.

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Old 18th Dec 2019, 07:45
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A worthy read for anyone embarking on PIA, a highly detailed analysis of the 2011 Qantas lockout: OF ‘KAMIKAZES’ AND ‘MAD MEN’: THE FALLOUT FROM THE QANTAS INDUSTRIAL DISPUTE


from page 827 (note, it's a journal entry, the entire document is 46 pages)
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 08:10
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Camel squadron:
You have no idea who I am, who I work for, what I do or even what sex I maybe. You have absolutely no idea.

You are doing exactly what you are claiming you are not doing. You are talking with a forked tongue. You are labeling a dissenting opinion because you dont like it.

Based on this behaviour, can anyone believe a single word you write in this forum? You say one thing but do the opposite.

Anyway lets stop playing the person here and try to stick to the underlying topic. I wont say anymore on this.
We know you are a management troll - you appeared in PPRuNe on 6 January 2014, spreading fear uncertainty and doubt among Qantas ALEA members. https://www.pprune.org/search.php?se...7&pp=25&page=3

you then reappeared from time to time defending Qantas management until these negotiations started when you suddenly reappeared spreading the same fear uncertainty and doubt amongst the Jetstar pilot group.

You are not presenting a "dissenting opinion, you are deliberately spreading poison. Thats why I asked in post #209: "have you been asked to "be professional" yet? And then at post #416, bingo! Camelsquadron makes that call!

But wait.....there's more..... in post #423 Camelsquadron opines :
You are jumping at shadows in the dark. "Behave like a professional" means your smart and intelligent so think logically and find that middle ground. Dont behave like a laborer on a construction site and get all emotional about it.
A very neat shot through the foot! Would it surprise anyone to learn that thanks to the CFMEU, an unskilled trades assistant on the Melbourne rail project - a laborer on a construction site, is making $200,000? Unskilled, no qualifications, no responsibility! Thats what getting emotional about it wins you! "Being professional" as the Camel wants will see your children dressed in rags.

Begone troll!

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Old 18th Dec 2019, 08:14
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Originally Posted by CurtainTwitcher View Post
A worthy read for anyone embarking on PIA, a highly detailed analysis of the 2011 Qantas lockout: OF ĎKAMIKAZESí AND ĎMAD MENí: THE FALLOUT FROM THE QANTAS INDUSTRIAL DISPUTE


from page 827 (note, it's a journal entry, the entire document is 46 pages)


And the abstract is titled:

Spare No expense to save labour cost, or picking up pennies in front of steam rollers..
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 11:05
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Camel guy can you be specific about whatís going to happen to us? You seem to know something we donít
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 11:46
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Originally Posted by CurtainTwitcher View Post
A worthy read for anyone embarking on PIA, a highly detailed analysis of the 2011 Qantas lockout: OF ĎKAMIKAZESí AND ĎMAD MENí: THE FALLOUT FROM THE QANTAS INDUSTRIAL DISPUTE


from page 827 (note, it's a journal entry, the entire document is 46 pages)
Things in 2019 are a lot different to 2011. The majority of the public are fed up with the level of corporate greed that currently exists amoungst big corporations. You only have to read the disgust on social media at AJ's $24 million pay packet. It would also be hard to sell an ongoing capped 3% Qantas wage policy to FWA sighting unsustainability in the face of a $1.6 billion profit last year. The RBA sees big corporations and current excessive executive bonus' as one of the reasons the wage gap is increasing in this country. Our RBA governor himself has made mention that current CEO salaries 'disturbs him'. As I said, different times to 2011. Dont know if Qantas would walk away a winner if FWA were to step in today.
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Old 19th Dec 2019, 01:51
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Qantas Management didnít exactly walk away winners after the FWA arbitration post lock out of the Mainline workers last time !
What + $200 million in cost to end up with essentially the same Contracts post FWA arbitrated fiddle , Alanís an $85 million winner baby and donít you let anyone tell you otherwise !
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Old 19th Dec 2019, 07:11
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Old 19th Dec 2019, 07:21
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Doesn’t that article just some it all up beautifully.
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Old 19th Dec 2019, 20:58
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$22 /hour

These guys will be working in 44deg heat for around $22 per hour (melbourne forecast) today whilst other people are being paid $3m a year to tell lies in the media & belittle them as if they are 2nd class citizens.
They are asking for a few bucks a week & some recognition for what they do.
Making the business profitable is important but it doesnt have to be done with no respect for the people earning the least salary & providing a crucial service.
I wonder how much money has been spent on exec Xmas parties this week.
Shame on all of them,they make me sick.
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Old 19th Dec 2019, 21:20
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Originally Posted by blubak View Post
These guys will be working in 44deg heat for around $22 per hour (melbourne forecast) today whilst other people are being paid $3m a year to tell lies in the media & belittle them as if they are 2nd class citizens.
They are asking for a few bucks a week & some recognition for what they do.
Making the business profitable is important but it doesnt have to be done with no respect for the people earning the least salary & providing a crucial service.
I wonder how much money has been spent on exec Xmas parties this week.
Shame on all of them,they make me sick.
Perfectly said!
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Old 19th Dec 2019, 23:08
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The next step course, I wonder how much that cost?
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 04:15
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'It could get ugly' @ https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...18-p53l3g.html
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 07:06
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If he locks out pilots it ends up in FWA I believe, do I think Jetstar pilots will do better there, yes. Just a personal feeling that all.
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 08:02
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Considering what we do compared to our competitors, and the respective pay, I think arbitration is the best we can hope for.
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 09:24
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Did Tiger end up in Arbitration? How did they get Management talking 2 months after PIA started?
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