Qantas Short Haul 2019 EA Negotiations (EA 8)
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 310
Pilots are still wearing all the risk. The negotiated outcome dances around the issue. DPC is a good idea but 50% isn’t enough. No protection for day of ops cancellations. No protection for training displacements. No minimum daily credit. And a base pay less than 54hrs a month.
The window dressing will be magnificent, but in terms of risk vs reward, the status quo remains...pilots wear all the risk in this EA, in a cyclical industry where the next downturn is never far away.
Good personal leave outcome nevertheless! It’s going to be an interesting vote.
The window dressing will be magnificent, but in terms of risk vs reward, the status quo remains...pilots wear all the risk in this EA, in a cyclical industry where the next downturn is never far away.
Good personal leave outcome nevertheless! It’s going to be an interesting vote.
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: DeShire
Posts: 110
Protections need to be in place before commencing a pattern.
Could be that Qantas just make an earlier call on cancelling sectors or days work prior to even signing on.
What im saying is then you could potentially only get DPC 50% of 50-80%.
Incentive for the company to just notify you prior to duty or day before of sector losses rather than wait and tell you during day of ops.
MGH not addressed is not acceptable
Could be that Qantas just make an earlier call on cancelling sectors or days work prior to even signing on.
What im saying is then you could potentially only get DPC 50% of 50-80%.
Incentive for the company to just notify you prior to duty or day before of sector losses rather than wait and tell you during day of ops.
MGH not addressed is not acceptable
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Land of Oz
Posts: 186
Originally Posted by crosscutter
That’s 40k out. Yes there is the CIP but that still won’t get you anywhere near 225k. If one did 950 credit hours a year, and you add in 10k for allowances, that would require an hourly rate of $226. Reality is an hourly rate of $180-185.
why be so misleading?
Yeah, no worries man
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Australia
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to start with most FO’s are on $225,000 gross
The average FO 737 gross figure was ... $199,270
That payslip shown is right on the highest for the year....and not indicative of the average worker....(with a life)
With an hourly rate of $195...times that by 1000 hours, you get to...$195000 only. Allowances, CIP. You are an outlier. Nowhere near average. But congratulations.
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Land of Oz
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Originally Posted by crosscutter
From QF payroll:
The average FO 737 gross figure was ... $199,270
That payslip shown is right on the highest for the year....and not indicative of the average worker....(with a life)
would you like a copy of my roster and we can compare, lives?
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 310
No.
I care about honest figures instead of faceless written diarrhoea deliberately distorting the facts
I don’t disagree with some of your general points nevertheless. We all do what’s best for our circumstances.. I shouldn’t have added in (that bit).
I care about honest figures instead of faceless written diarrhoea deliberately distorting the facts
I don’t disagree with some of your general points nevertheless. We all do what’s best for our circumstances.. I shouldn’t have added in (that bit).
Last edited by crosscutter; 10th Jul 2019 at 04:06.
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 298
B737 FO salary. Year 3 pay. Division 3 super. I don’t have my name in the book. I don’t swap trips chasing hours. Includes 8 weeks in total (2 x 4 week blocks) of annual leave.
Seems more representative of ‘average’ FO pay. Take home pay of ~$137k.
(To clarify - the ‘deductions’ includes all salary sacrifice & salary disbursement to other accounts, so take home pay was ~$137K)
Seems more representative of ‘average’ FO pay. Take home pay of ~$137k.
(To clarify - the ‘deductions’ includes all salary sacrifice & salary disbursement to other accounts, so take home pay was ~$137K)
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Lagrangian point 2
Posts: 204
Personally I think it’s a stupid idea to post payslips on a public forum
Arguably the most insidious part of this proposal seems to be 5/6 day international trips, without any of the protections of Long Haul (5:30MDC, Pattern Protection and MBT to name a few). One would hope there’s more detail to it in the draft EA when it comes out, but based on past experiences you can only imagine how the company might like to ‘interpret’ anything not set in stone.
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 310
absolutely...especially so looking forward....with a new type that could potentially fly an extra hour or so...if you were the company... you'd be trying to transfer as much medium haul flying to the SHEA as possible.
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,679
Originally Posted by ExtraShot
+1
Arguably the most insidious part of this proposal seems to be 5/6 day international trips, without any of the protections of Long Haul (5:30MDC, Pattern Protection and MBT to name a few). One would hope there’s more detail to it in the draft EA when it comes out, but based on past experiences you can only imagine how the company might like to ‘interpret’ anything not set in stone.
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Next to Bay 8
Posts: 247
We’re bringing a butter knife to a drone fight. ��
No offence to our trusty little knife, but in this modern age of industrial warfare, it’s a vastly inferior weapon. It’s no wonder we get wiped off the map every time... Pilots should stick to flying and let the pros negotiate our futures.
No offence to our trusty little knife, but in this modern age of industrial warfare, it’s a vastly inferior weapon. It’s no wonder we get wiped off the map every time... Pilots should stick to flying and let the pros negotiate our futures.
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Europe
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Originally Posted by OhForSure
We’re bringing a butter knife to a drone fight. ��
No offence to our trusty little knife, but in this modern age of industrial warfare, it’s a vastly inferior weapon. It’s no wonder we get wiped off the map every time... Pilots should stick to flying and let the pros negotiate our futures.
No offence to our trusty little knife, but in this modern age of industrial warfare, it’s a vastly inferior weapon. It’s no wonder we get wiped off the map every time... Pilots should stick to flying and let the pros negotiate our futures.
That is why the other side always has their faceless team behind a 'judas sheep' (like a former Union President parachuted in as an IR negotiator) while behind the curtain IR drive their agenda.
That Tiger pilots secured a very much better outcome suggests that a redistribution is overdue.
That pilots think they must somehow represent themselves when their opponent uses teams of IR behind the curtain is incredible.
To what position will the current 'team' of negotiators be 'promoted' to in management for their acquiescence?
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Australia
Posts: 475
That Tiger pilots secured a very much better outcome suggests that a redistribution is overdue.
That pilots think they must somehow represent themselves when their opponent uses teams of IR behind the curtain is incredible.
That pilots think they must somehow represent themselves when their opponent uses teams of IR behind the curtain is incredible.
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 192
I’ve always thought we should have professional negotiators since I joined AIPA. However to be fair to the people who put in the time they are generally bashing their heads against a brick wall. You can only negotiate if the company are willing to, and Qantas isn’t, why would they? They like the short haul award as it is. The only two things they would want is contactability (something SH pilots won’t give up) and the ability to roster longer trips. Without forcing the companies hand, all the things the pilots want will never happen.
