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Qantas Short Haul 2019 EA Negotiations (EA 8)

Rumours abound that the fat lady is warming up. About to start singing for 3%. Anyone care to confirm?

Unless it addresses the risk, work life balance and leave entitlements it will be a big fat NO.

I’d say given the recent EBA rises in Aus and NZ that have been voted up, coupled with QF performance, 3% isn’t going to cut it.....

6% initially, then 3 + 3...or something like that

The 3% is on offer for no offsets , the smoky in all of this IMO will be formalising ultra long haul (20 hours plus TOD) crewing compliment and conditions.

Off to spec savers, sorry.

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Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 10505103)

Unless it addresses the risk, work life balance and leave entitlements it will be a big fat NO.

From the perspective of leave entitlements it shall be very interesting how the representative body 'sells' an improvement in sick leave.
A FWA decision last year over turned the way employers calculate sick leave deductions.
Effectively, 10 days (or 76 hours) per year is fine for office staff working an average 7.6 hour day.

For shift workers (pilots included) working 12 hour days equating 10 days to hours ought mean 120 hours as the sick leave provision.
That airlines have deducted duty hours from 76 hour totals will have short changed the pilot substantially.

Any attempt to sell the legislatively mandated change as a 'win' is disingenuous.
What about those individuals wrongly deducted sick leave whilst the company incorrectly deducted it from the 76 hour total?
Are those affected pilots to be compensated? Is not why not?

Curious minds want to understand precisely how the representative body ensure those affected pilots receive their correct back paid entitlement of sick leave.

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This interpretation was upheld by the Fair Work Commission, with deputy president Lyndall Dean finding employees are entitled to 10 days of sick leave per annum, and AstraZeneca workers on 12-hour and 10-hour shift rosters should have their sick leave entitlements calculated on the basis of these ‘typical’ work days. “I cannot accept AstraZeneca’s submission that the entitlement to 10 days of paid personal/carer’s leave means an entitlement to payment equal to the time that would have been worked on 10 ordinary or standard days of averaged ordinary hours, i.e. of 7.2 or 7.6 hours duration,” Dean said.

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This would mean the total annual sick leave for shift workers would instead accrue to 120 hours, due to the standard ‘day’ for one of these workers being 12 hours.

Will be interesting to see how this is addressed...

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"Employers who have been taking the FWO's advice and only paying their employees for 7.2 hours when they are missing 12-hour shifts on leave are likely liable to backpay stretching back six years," he said.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/work...13-p4zx5v.html

Is that the way Qantas works sick pay? I’ve never worked for them, but all the aviation companies I have worked for just deducted a days sick leave from the entitlement (21 days plus 6 URTIs at the last mob) without converting to hours. Remaining balances were expressed in days as well.

Rated de is confused by his navel gazing.
In Qf shorthaul, there is no doubt about how many days sick leave a pilot is entitled to.
There is a big gap between pilot expectations on what they are paid when on sick leave and what they actually get.
They covet the longhaul system.
very hard to get.
An esoteric argument from Rated De wont get them over the line.

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In Qf shorthaul, there is no doubt about how many days sick leave a pilot is entitled to.

How many days sick leave is a Qf shorthaul pilot entitled to?

15 WORKING days. WORKING days is important
plus URTI

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Originally Posted by wombat watcher (Post 10505379)

15 WORKING days. WORKING days is important
plus URTI

So do QF deduct duty hours or paid flight hours from an annual 76 hours credit? (for Qantas domestic pilots)

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15 WORKING days. WORKING days is important
plus URTI

wombat watcher you do realize every Qf shorthaul pilot that has seen your post now knows you are a tool?

Nothing wrong wrong with being a tool when being judged by a mental Pygmy.

Okay, how about you cut the relevant section from the Qf shorthaul EA regarding sick leave and post it here so us mental pygmies in Qf shorthaul can be educated?

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The Commission's ruling, found a worker's typical shift should be used to calculate the total number of hours meaning a shift-worker who does usually a 12 hour shift should receive 120 hours of paid leave per year.

Using the arithmetic quoted, to arrive at 15 WORKING DAYS (your bolding) that would necessitate Qantas deducting 5 hours per day for each day sick? (76/5)
If that is how it was applied before the FWA ruling it would be appreciated it as suggested above, the relevant excerpts be posted showing the calculation.

So where does it state pilots are entitled to 15 WORKING days?

For the pygmies, what that means is that a shorthaul pilot can have 15 working days pa sick plus urti. Any trips he drops is unpaid except that the pilot can have up to 76 hours of pay pa to offset any trips he has dropped unpaid. Unlike longhaul, if he is sick on a day off it doesn’t count.
That means if a pilot has for instance dropped 200 hours of flying pa due to being sick he will get 76 hours back paid meaning he doesn’t get paid for the 126 other hours. It is then up to the pilot. To chase the 126 hours if he wants to get paid for them
This of course is underpinned by the minimum guarantee of not being paid less than 58 hours per month.
Rated De, your reference to whatever arbitration is irrelevant in this context.