Uncertain times for Darwin based Cobham Crew
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Originally Posted by Alice Kiwican
Interesting..... However Alliance are already doing the DRW-ASP (and then ADL) for Virgin. Maybe we’ll see 2 Alliance Fokkers chasing each other on the route 1 with a QF callsign and 1 a VA callsign.........
The whole Alliance arrangement with VA and QF would be hilarious if it wasn’t so embarrassing. Changing callsigns and flight numbers at the drop of a hat.
All they do is contribute to stagnation of careers in the two majors by flying cheap, old, unreliable aircraft...management on both sides are to blame but the end result is the customer loses in a big way.
All they do is contribute to stagnation of careers in the two majors by flying cheap, old, unreliable aircraft...management on both sides are to blame but the end result is the customer loses in a big way.
All they do is contribute to stagnation of careers in the two majors
Not everyone has an interest in the two majors, and vice versa.
The guys/girls at the Aliiances etc are absent from the seniority lists of the majors resulting in a career opportunity for someone else.
It would be rather short sighted to suggest every pilots career would be more progressive with VA and QF the only shop in town, more so if you hold that belief from the luxury of already being employed by VA/QF.
I agree that it is the customer that misses out, but I dont think that's as high of a priority to the airlines as the marketing departments would have you believe
Hardly being pompous, I was simply inferring that if this flying was done in house then more people would win.
Alliance is nothing but a contractor, and when the big two don’t need them anymore for this flying then what happens? If those jobs were in the majors all along then surely that provides more security and arguably better terms and conditions and hopefully career progression?
Alliance is nothing but a contractor, and when the big two don’t need them anymore for this flying then what happens? If those jobs were in the majors all along then surely that provides more security and arguably better terms and conditions and hopefully career progression?
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The whole Alliance arrangement with VA and QF would be hilarious if it wasn’t so embarrassing. Changing callsigns and flight numbers at the drop of a hat.
Another interesting point is that their conditions are much lower than QF/VA, yet their crew survey results run by ALAEA Fed Sec are consistently way above the majors. Go figure.
Isn’t it Skywest doing the centre run? Didn’t think Alliance were doing. Could be wrong though!
stagnation of careers
Not sure if true but I heard the other day that VAA B737 do less ML-SY runs than they did 10 years ago.
Apologies for adding to the thread drift!
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I was simply inferring that if this flying was done in house then more people would win
I would go further to say that a good number of those F100 runs could never justify a 737 service in the first place and the size of pie would simply shrink.
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Can anyone explain how the 717 crews would be shifted to other ports? Do they get a say where, and is it seniority based?
Would a high number allow you to bump someone out of your new preferred base?
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Originally Posted by Lapon
More QF/VA pilots might win, but pilots who had been rejected or for whatever reason missed those boats would in turn loose, with the net benefit to the greater pilot community being zero.
I would go further to say that a good number of those F100 runs could never justify a 737 service in the first place and the size of pie would simply shrink.
I would go further to say that a good number of those F100 runs could never justify a 737 service in the first place and the size of pie would simply shrink.
Pursuit of a lower unit labour cost and 'leverage' over workforce was the centre piece of management strategy for decades. The key weapon in this pursuit was subsidiary and out sourced employment.
Whilst the sectors you refer to may never have justified a 737 it is really a question of what the management focus is.
Using your existing pilot body, keeping the operation in-house and utilising the career and seniority trajectory was one approach..
The other path, very well worn is the use of outsourced contractor workforce with hopefully far less union involvement.
Can anyone explain how the 717 crews would be shifted to other ports? Do they get a say where, and is it seniority based?
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Best of luck to all the Cobham DRW 717 crew, hope you find DRW based or good commuting jobs.
Virgin 777 SO and QF Long Haul jobs would be commutable if that helps.
Virgin 777 SO and QF Long Haul jobs would be commutable if that helps.
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Good point Nothisguy.
Airnorth are very short crewed & haven't been able to crew their whole network, nor can Alliance as they've been depending on call-in payments.
Those displaced crew have a plethora of choices is this pilot's market, both in Australia and overseas if Cobham are stupid enough to "let them go" (the latest management speak isn't it?) instead of allowing them to transfer to another segment of the company.
Airnorth are very short crewed & haven't been able to crew their whole network, nor can Alliance as they've been depending on call-in payments.
Those displaced crew have a plethora of choices is this pilot's market, both in Australia and overseas if Cobham are stupid enough to "let them go" (the latest management speak isn't it?) instead of allowing them to transfer to another segment of the company.
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Originally Posted by Chocks Away
Good point Nothisguy.
......... if Cobham are stupid enough to "let them go" (the latest management speak isn't it?) instead of allowing them to transfer to another segment of the company.
......... if Cobham are stupid enough to "let them go" (the latest management speak isn't it?) instead of allowing them to transfer to another segment of the company.
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It appears the Cairns base is downsizing as of March next year in line with the recently announced route restructures. I've heard up to 8 flight crew will be asked to relocate along with similar numbers of cabin crew...
