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737 Type Freeze coming at Qantas: Crew shortage bites?

Old 13th Apr 2018, 00:36
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Originally Posted by Street garbage View Post
If they RIN off the B747 quite a lot of the senior people there would be able to displace junior A380 people- and so on...
MDC for the B737 please.
If they RIN off the 747 totally it will get very interesting as they have always wanted a two year return of service after checking out before retirement. With the training system stretched to breaking point what will they do with people who canít give them two years return of service? I know this is hypothetical but I doubt it has even entered their thoughts.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 01:27
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Freezing pilots on the 737 doesn’t help with crewing the A330, 787, and A380 vacancies that exist. Those vacancies (and there are lots of them) still need to be filled. The crewing shortages are almost as bad on the
Concur with the assertion. Airlines through the European continent are struggling. The genesis of this problem was demographic.

Previous shortages were a result of the business cycle, but whilst the prevailing demographic remained dominant (in terms of numbers) then cyclically shortages were short term.

Problematic as we have explained numerous times, which although resulted in lots of detractors is that this time is different. Their adversarial/union avoidance model of HR/IR is ill suited to handle what is now a full blown structural shortage.

Airline management have presumed that unlimited supply would facilitate sufficient leverage to drive down labour unit cost.

Rest assured the more agile and aware operators were awakened a long time ago. Australia and Qantas are neither different nor exceptional. It has simply taken a while longer to manifest itself in the antipodes.

Qantas laying the groundwork as it has first been felt in their regional airlines, next will be the 737 and then progressively the more senior fleets.

The pattern at other airlines is no different.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 01:28
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Originally Posted by Street garbage View Post
Rumour has it (this is Prune remember) is 620 training slots for the next training year, FSO possibly out Monday.

dragon man, my (limited) understanding of the RIN process (I have only had it once, others are up to 3) is there no return of service/ freeze if you are Rin'd.
Iíve had 7 RINs so am a bit of an expert. All bets are off in a RIN. Freeze periods are company discretion anyway.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 01:54
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Rumour has it (this is Prune remember) is 620 training slots for the next training year, FSO possibly out Monday.

dragon man, my (limited) understanding of the RIN process (I have only had it once, others are up to 3) is there no return of service/ freeze if you are Rin'd.
Understand that and thank you, but itís a question of best utilisation of the training system for a limited return unless the USA goes to 67 retirement. I know they never want another RIN as the last one was such a debacle.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 02:03
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I disagree, only because I was senior on the B767 (top 20), when they RIN'd I was able to bid for the A380 and was awarded it.
I am happy for you that your time is up, because you can get before this mob totally destroy the place. Cheers.
Yes, but in the case of the 767, everyone was being RINned. I expect that there were a couple of mechanisms at play that decided which slots people would get. I presume though, that you didnít displace anyone, but were awarded the slot...which is a different animal.

How on earth did you manage 7 RINs?

And rather sadly, I have to agree with your comment about Ďthis mobí.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 02:16
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Understand that and thank you, but itís a question of best utilisation of the training system for a limited return unless the USA goes to 67 retirement. I know they never want another RIN as the last one was such a debacle.
I wonder how much difference 67 would really make. I suspect that they do their planning based on everyone going to 65, but isnít the average somewhere around 63.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 02:18
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I wonder how much difference 67 would really make. I suspect that they do their planning based on everyone going to 65, but isnít the average somewhere around 63.
The planning has been so bad that Iím told now they are using 62 as the age for planned retirements. IMO with medicals etc itís probably about right.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 02:19
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Vacancies are due out by the 15th. There wonít be 620!

40 odd 787 and a handfull on other fleets. Of course, if these rumoured 6 787ís are firmed up, then with residuals, it may get to that kind of a number.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 03:00
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All of this BS is like watching a captain start to get a bit uncomfortable in their seat when the fuel is looking marginal at the destination due to them deciding to go min fuel!

If the company had more of an interest in why some of the male pilots were getting knocked back by HR in the internal transfer process then maybe there wouldnít be this issue. I canít blame our guys heading off to Virgin and Emirates when they get shafted by the mothership.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 03:10
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Vacancies are due out by the 15th. There wonít be 620!

40 odd 787 and a handfull on other fleets. Of course, if these rumoured 6 787ís are firmed up, then with residuals, it may get to that kind of a number.
Including residuals, of course. The slots advertised are always significantly less.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 05:21
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Slots are out...
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 06:05
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42 on the slug and 34 on the 330 plus the 787 etc. 97 in total

Which should yield...maybe 200 residuals in the next round?
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 06:43
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I was thinking maybe 400 total from that depending on so shifting
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 08:52
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I canít blame our guys heading off to Virgin and Emirates when they get shafted by the mothership.
Seriously??? Guys heading across the road to fly the 737? Or going onto the 777 as an SO?
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Seriously??? Guys heading across the road to fly the 737? Or going onto the 777 as an SO?
Qlink I guess...
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The planning has been so bad that Iím told now they are using 62 as the age for planned retirements. IMO with medicals etc itís probably about right.
I'm surprised if they are conservative enough to use 62.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 12:11
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So if life at Qantas is a sh1tshow and Virgin is a joke on the verge constantly, where does one go for a career in this industry??? If The two premier carriers are such a joke what the hell are you to aim for?
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 13:13
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So if life at Qantas is a sh1tshow and Virgin is a joke on the verge constantly, where does one go for a career in this industry??? If The two premier carriers are such a joke what the hell are you to aim for?
I guess if you have already spent the time and money getting trained, aim for a seat before the music stops, otherwise look for a 21st century career as the best and brightest are currently doing.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 23:19
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I was thinking maybe 400 total from that depending on so shifting
If the rumoured 6 787s are ordered theyíll need to do an additional allocation. Suspect 15-20 additional Captain and F/O slots to commence training from April next year. Thatíll take the slots up to the 600 mark.
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