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Old 15th Apr 2018, 12:12
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It has operated its first revenue service. PER- KTA. Maybe it’ll transition to the charter work once they’ve got crew trained, maybe not.

Network Will probably replace every F100 with A320s. If they keep offering the pay they do currently they'll end up as another Jetconnect where they train people for Emirates, China, etc.

They'll solve their crewing problems in the short term because they have an endorsement that is worth something on the world market. Longer term though they're just going to turn over their workforce at 25% per annum as people get a few thousand hours and leave for much greener pastures.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 12:42
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While I am extremely angry about the Network situation, what is occurring is exactly what Qantas said would happen. They never limited it to charter flying. ‘Low utilisation’ flying was the best they could describe it.

It’s very disappointing but it’s not new information.

Network have been flying RPT for a fair while already, the change is the aircraft type.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 13:07
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Longer term though they're just going to turn over their workforce at 25% per annum as people get a few thousand hours and leave for much greener pastures.
Thats what was said about Jetstar pilots when it first started. Never underestimate the pull of an Australian basing to those who are already overseas. They will come back to Oz no matter what the conditions, even in todays market. John Gissing once said that the best way for the pay and conditions to improve at Jetstar was for people to leave. it has never happened in sufficient numbers.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 13:43
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Could be right Lookleft. At the end of the day both Network and Jetconnect (as well as QLink and Cobham) are struggling to find and retain pilots now. I can't see much changing at Network without a significant increase in remuneration over current levels.

I can see it getting a lot worse with an A320 endorsement given how the foreign carriers view that endorsement! Guess we'll see how it plays out in a few years.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 14:24
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I really think..that this time it is real...a pilot shortage. I may come back to flying....but it wil cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$......something Network and the like are yet to work out. They are assuming there is a endless supply of pilots.

I have got a tip for the Bean Counters in all the Airlines in Australia....go and sit at Jandakot Airport for a day....then think about how many people you would kill ( notice..this is just a expression)..if you let of a bomb off..answer,none.

No one is learning to fly, it is enormously expensive, and if you are lucky enough to get that first flying job...you will make more cleaning the airport dunnies.
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 02:14
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post

No one is learning to fly
Ah but unfortunately they are!

Cadetships continue to be oversubscribed at Jetstar, QantasLink and Rex et al.

Youngsters infected with shiny jet syndrome are enabled by cashed up parents to make their career ‘dreams come true’.

I would LOVE to be wrong...but I still don’t see a pilot shortage biting hard in Australia unless they can’t find enough kids with stars in their eyes.

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PS. Surely you can’t be sick of trains already! 😁
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 06:18
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Cadetships continue to be oversubscribed at Jetstar, QantasLink and Rex et al.
We would take a slightly different position.
Australia is no different to Europe, demographics are at play.

Network cannot crew their flights with the remuneration offered.
Jetconnect cannot either.

Further, having personal insights to at least one of the cadet programs to which you refer, they are most certainly not 'over subscribed'

Were they to be 'full' the rate of CPL issuance is simply not sufficient to alleviate the retirement rate. Simple mathematics. The airline management although slow to realise are awakening to the stark reality: their crewing formula is unsustainable at current remuneration, hence JQ crewing the flights and 457 announcement over Christmas.
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 05:40
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Jetconnect require 500 multi crew time and Network want 500 multi PIC. Thats why nobody is applying.

Many operators have dropped multi time completely from min reqs now. Oh and Network being in Perth doesn't help either.
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 07:44
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It's not a free endorsement tho Keg, I'm guessing it will be North of 35k over 3 years
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 09:53
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It's not a free endorsement tho Keg, I'm guessing it will be North of 35k over 3 years

Aaaah, a bond. That will be the next thing pilots will be telling airlines to stick up their a$$!
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 13:02
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Rumours Network will receive some 787s for WADD flights !
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 15:21
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Originally Posted by airdualbleedfault View Post
It's not a free endorsement tho Keg, I'm guessing it will be North of 35k over 3 years
Ah... no. No pilot has been bonded on the 320 yet to my knowledge... a new recruit probably but they have not crossed that bridge... yet. They will probably drop the bond in the near future when they realize that pilots will not accept a bond when better options are available!

Network pretend they are progressive with a better, cheaper way to do business... but they are not. They are a company hell bent on expansion, to own the wa market and beyond. Unless they step up to the plate and attract the next generation of pilots they will struggle.
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Old 21st Apr 2018, 02:50
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The reason for no bond yet Kimbo could be that they have no terms and conditions for the 320 (not in the eba), do the crew even know what they are going to get paid yet?
Also, I wouldn't put it past Notwork to spring the bond thing on them retrospectively
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Old 21st Apr 2018, 03:48
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Considering the management that has been thrust upon them from the mothership, (COO-former AN/JQ/EEA pole climber, CP-QF LWOP on a fast track, Plus a former AN/JQ/EEA training Manager & AN/JQ LWOP Check Capt that was very unwelcome in PER) you could assume they have a very clear mandate to make this operation as cheap as possible at the expense of all else.

The rumour is more AN/JQ checkies are heading over there to “help”.

Oh, and if the COO tells you something, you can be sure it is bullshit
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Old 21st Apr 2018, 05:28
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Wow, they did such a great job cutting everything at Qlink.....just ask the customers.
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Old 26th Apr 2018, 12:15
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Originally Posted by Roj approved View Post
Considering the management that has been thrust upon them from the mothership, (COO-former AN/JQ/EEA pole climber, CP-QF LWOP on a fast track, Plus a former AN/JQ/EEA training Manager & AN/JQ LWOP Check Capt that was very unwelcome in PER) you could assume they have a very clear mandate to make this operation as cheap as possible at the expense of all else.

The rumour is more AN/JQ checkies are heading over there to “help”.

Oh, and if the COO tells you something, you can be sure it is bullshit
Quite the irrational comment. I can only ascertain a degree of insecurity based around a personal experience with most, if not all, of the aforementioned; this would indicate you’re someone who’s required a degree of “management” in the past and can’t quite move on from that?
Alternatively, you could be someone who’s been overlooked in favour of the aforementioned?
Or.. maybe you’re just bored and bitter and don’t really know why?
Otherwise, what is your point exactly?

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Old 26th Apr 2018, 22:08
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I don't know what made me think of this, but do you reckon the Qantas angels' handbook has a chapter on choosing forum names?
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Old 27th Apr 2018, 04:02
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post
I don't know what made me think of this, but do you reckon the Qantas angels' handbook has a chapter on choosing forum names?
Their job is simply to run interference operations and thread diversions. Best to simply ignore and laugh at their attention getters.
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Old 20th May 2018, 11:57
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Mission Creep!

Assured that it was just for mine work, opposition non existent. Qantas admitted what sources confirmed long ago: Network is going to expand its operation.

Perth Broome, 'to start with'

A stream lead setting up a pilot training school to feed new fodder into the subsidiary and the by-pass of domestic terms and conditions continues unabated.



Telling the pilots it was only the tip, ensured they remained acquiescent whilst the said act was perpetrated.

Perth Sydney next?

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Old 20th May 2018, 21:21
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Originally Posted by Bullytactics View Post


Quite the irrational comment. I can only ascertain a degree of insecurity based around a personal experience with most, if not all, of the aforementioned; this would indicate you’re someone who’s required a degree of “management” in the past and can’t quite move on from that?
Alternatively, you could be someone who’s been overlooked in favour of the aforementioned?
Or.. maybe you’re just bored and bitter and don’t really know why?
Otherwise, what is your point exactly?

I hate to break it to you champ but a job in Qantas management is certainly not seen as any sort of achievement by anyone other than Qantas management.
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